A 1st to move Petry? Don't think so. Petry is a reliable top-4 RD that eats mins. Maybe Pens eat 1.25mil and ship him to Nashville for a bag of pucks. If SJ takes Granlund in the deal that's still 10 mil cleared for the Pens.
You're at the tail end of a dynasty. Sid, Geno, and Letang have earned it.
No, I'm suggesting that when the Sharks don't get the exorbitant haul that some Sharks fans think will be occurring, they can content themselves with the fact that they will be able to subsequently gain assets with the cap space that Karlsson is no longer occupying.
Petry is a 6'3" RD who weighs 209 lbs. and scored at a half PPG pace last season. He, like any other such defenseman, has positive value. It's possible that the Penguins would have to accept future considerations, but that's the worst-case scenario.
This part doesn't matter, because Petry would be an upgrade in the Top 4 on, at a minimum, 20 teams in the league. Those teams might need to move salary out to accommodate Petry, and this could decrease the return the Penguins get, but Petry's NTC is merely a nuisance and not a dealbreaker.
Neither of those things occurred. 5 X 5.375 is the market value for an above-average but not elite goalie, such as Jarry. It is neither max term nor top dollar.
If they’re rebuilding it makes plenty more sense to trade him. More is better than less and less is better than nothing
A lot of this is correct, I haven’t said anything different, with the exception of wanting to win. You are right, for most guys, getting to financial stability is number 1. However, in this case EK has all the security he needs…. He’s an ultra competitive guy, so now a championship is what’s on his mind. He gets his 11.5 million regardless of where he is.
As an outsider with no dog in this fight you're going to be disappointed in just about every way. Petry isn't that valuable the Jarry contract is a true head scratcher and not very good he's too inconsistent and injury prone. Then you also go onto say that Karlsson won't return much. Alot of words here that simply boil down to you trying to not only convince others but it seems like yourself the Penguins are in a situation that they really aren't.
You are very confused. By hiring someone doesn't mean they want to become them. It means they see potential to grow and a person that can learn from their mistakes and evolve. The leafs have 1 playoff win I'm 20 years man. I think it's crazy to hire Dubas personally as the way he has built the leafs is inherently flawed. The contracts he willingly gave Matthews and Marner make no sense and have them over a barrel. But to assume based on the hire they want to be what has been the worst franchise in the NHL post expansion is an insane conclusion to come to while avoiding all context.
How valuable is "not that valuable"?
Jack Campbell, a goalie not as good as Jarry, got a 5x$5M contract last offseason.
I didn't say Karlsson wouldn't return much. I said the return wouldn't match the exorbitant suggestions being thrown around here.
Nope. Not only did I state my case, but I actually provided reasoning for it.
If that really is the case, then I'm still confused as why the Pens are "his 1st choice" (which I don't believe for a minute). In fact, I think if Pittsburgh is offering some of the deals as presented in this thread, this deal would have been done long ago. Perhaps, EK isn't enamored of going to a bubble team.
That's just not true. The opposite is.
Waddell never said any such thing. There is speculation by various media outlets that is the case (and it would be typical of Carolina's MO). The hold up for Carolina is that they have other salary to move (which should be pretty easy to do given the talent). What they likely won't do, is put themselves in a position of being over the cap prior to making an EK trade.
Yes Petry would, but half those 20 teams are already above the cap or just about there. The other 10 teams are rebuilding and have limited use for a soon to be 36 year old for 2 more years at 6.25M. And 15 teams are a no go due to Petrys NMC. There just may not be a single team that meets all those criteria.
20 teams are at or above the cap. Whats left is rebuilding teams.
That is how markets work.
$1.375M less is not substantially less.
Again, compared to who?
Literally never said that. I said he'd return a 1st and a decent prospect. That's not a poor return.
Literally never said this either. I said he'd return an asset. That's it.
Saying that Petry would return an asset is being balanced in evaluating him. I'm not even saying it would be a particularly good one.
And they can make space for him.
From my understanding, it’s first choice of the teams that are interested.
Sure, but in order to have a good rebuild they need a good return if they are moving a good/valuable asset like Karlsson. If they get a poor return, it will negatively impact the rebuild. There are 2 sides to every coin.
Nothing is almost guaranteed to not happen. They may eat another year of his contract to allow for the rising cap to start to take hold that would increase options and limit dead money but nothing for Karlsson is probably never going to happen. Even if Karlsson reverts back to his normal 0.8 points per game or so, he's still going to have trade value depending on the retention amount.
