He fits well on a line with the two best players on the team and is useless anywhere else in the lineup.He fits well on team teal. Keep him here for a few years.
This has the potential to be worst post of the season.He fits well on a line with the two best players on the team and is useless anywhere else in the lineup.
That's fine for $1 million but not for $3-4 million on a 2-3 year deal. That has serious potential to end up looking like the forward version of the Radim Simek contract.
Obviously depends on the money and term...seems like the Sharks have a lot of guys coming in the next few years...
How many UFAs have just one full season of NHL experience?This has the potential to be worst post of the season.
How many 40 pt players that are at their ufa are making 1 million right now? He’s easily worth 3-4 on a 2-3 year deal.
I don’t think we can afford to give Barabonov $3M+ and still fill the other holes in our lineup.This has the potential to be worst post of the season.
How many 40 pt players that are at their ufa are making 1 million right now? He’s easily worth 3-4 on a 2-3 year deal.
sounds right to me. 2 years at 3 per. He's either a bargain or an appropriately paid 2nd liner.I think a $3m-$3.5m x 2yr deal is probably the fair deal. $4m is a little too rich for me and a long term deal wouldn't make sense to me either. He's mostly been stapled to Hertl, and has looked good there, but he hasn't really shown that he's a plug and play option to drive play everywhere else in the line up.
They're playing chess by constantly putting EK65 on Ir so when they need to in the future they can LTIR him and no one will bat an eyelash.5 years, $30 million incoming
JW: "I haven't personally done the math, but I certainly expect us to be in compliance with the cap for years to come"
We basically can't afford a top six winger, a 3C, and a shutdown RD, even without Barabanov.I don’t think we can afford to give Barabonov $3M+ and still fill the other holes in our lineup.
We need a top 6 winger better than Barabonov, a 3C, and a shut down RD more than we need Barabonov. I’m worried about this contract.
I’m hoping he gets a 2-year deal at a reasonable cost. Pad stats or not, he adds an element that works well with the big 2.How many UFAs have just one full season of NHL experience?
I'd offer him 1 year at around $2.5M. He can continue to pad his stats with Hertl and Meier, prove this season wasn't a fluke then cash in next summer with some other team.
I think that’ll all come down to when they finally make a ruling on Kane violating his contract multiple times. If they eliminate that 7 mil off the cap, they can re-sign him easily without much worry.I don’t think we can afford to give Barabonov $3M+ and still fill the other holes in our lineup.
We need a top 6 winger better than Barabonov, a 3C, and a shut down RD more than we need Barabonov. I’m worried about this contract.
I’m hoping he gets a 2-year deal at a reasonable cost. Pad stats or not, he adds an element that works well with the big 2.
I think that’ll all come down to when they finally make a ruling on Kane violating his contract multiple times. If they eliminate that 7 mil off the cap, they can re-sign him easily without much worry.
Exactly. Even as a Barabanov "hater" I can admit Meier-Hertl-Barabanov has been a killer line but his results with any other line combination (including when he's playing with just Hertl or just Meier) have been abysmal. If the chemistry wears off for some reason or the Sharks simply need to break that line up due to injury or depth issues Barabanov immediately becomes a liability.Is there a more ineffable and tenuous thing in sports than chemistry? We've seen chemistry suddenly die; lines that were working get figured out. A shorter-term deal for Barabanov makes more sense given that context...
Really? Are there numbers to back this up?Exactly. Even as a Barabanov "hater" I can admit Meier-Hertl-Barabanov has been a killer line but his results with any other line combination (including when he's playing with just Hertl or just Meier) have been abysmal. If the chemistry wears off for some reason or the Sharks simply need to break that line up due to injury or depth issues Barabanov immediately becomes a liability.
Meier-Hertl-Barabanov (369:09 TOI): 53.4 CF%, 54.5 FF%, 55.5 SF%, 64.1 GF%, 53.6 xGF%Really? Are there numbers to back this up?
I agree that it’s pretty much impossible to address all 3 of our biggest needs. Can we address 2 of them after signing Barabonov? It all depends on what happens with Kane and what futures they give up to reclaim cap space. (ie buyout penalty for Vlasic and/or Labanc, draft pick to trade Simek). Any cap space they use for Barabonov is money they can’t use to address the bigger issues. That’s why I would be hesitant to sign Barabonov.We basically can't afford a top six winger, a 3C, and a shutdown RD, even without Barabanov.
I eliminated Labanc, Simek, and Hill (assume they're traded with no money coming back, which is unrealistic), bought out Vlasic, resigned Ferraro, Dahlen, Gregor, and Kahkonen for a combined $7M, and that left cap space of $15,660,000 (give or take a couple hundred grand for the cheap contracts) for three significant players.
In theory, that should be enough, but in reality that's cutting it close and requires a lot of luck in moving out a few poorer contracts for nothing. Plus, in the end, you get a top six that is still weak (you're relying on two of Dahlen, Eklund, or Bordeleau to be legit top six forwards next year, which is probably unrealistic even if they might all have that potential).
Honestly, we might as well resign the guy we already know for significantly less than a better free agent would likely cost (what would a legit top six winger cost in free agency, $6M?).
What does Meier - Couture - Barabonov look like?Meier-Hertl-Barabanov (369:09 TOI): 53.4 CF%, 54.5 FF%, 55.5 SF%, 64.1 GF%, 53.6 xGF%
X-Hertl-Barabanov (394:12 TOI): 44.6 CF%, 43.6 FF%, 43.0 SF%, 48.4 GF%, 41.7 xGF%
Meier-X-Barabanov (62:45 TOI): 40.1 CF%, 41.8 FF%, 46.0 SF%, 50.0 GF%, 46.2 xGF%
X-X-Barabanov (143:10 TOI): 30.8 CF%, 31.2 FF%, 30.0 SF%, 25.0 GF%, 31.9 xGF%
All numbers 5v5. Credit to Natural Stat Trick's Line Tool.
They've only spent 38:19 together but 45.6 CF%, 46.8 FF%, 52.6 SF%, 42.9 GF%, 51.5 xGF%What does Meier - Couture - Barabonov look like?
Fair enough. I notice x-Hertl- Barabonov didn’t produce very good numbers. That supports what I see. Barabonov is a good complimentary 3rd guy on a line but not strong enough to drive a line, even with Hertl.They've only spent 38:19 together but 45.6 CF%, 46.8 FF%, 52.6 SF%, 42.9 GF%, 51.5 xGF%
It's a very small sample size and I'm open to the possibility that could be a decent line if given time to build chemistry but I'm not sure who that leaves for Hertl to play with. Eklund and Labanc?
This is one case where the stats definitely line up with the eye test for me too. They should just let him walk and use the cap space on a younger more versatile top six forward instead. Edmonton is vulnerable to a Jesse Puljujarvi offer sheet at the 2nd round pick compensation tier as an example.Fair enough. I notice x-Hertl- Barabonov didn’t produce very good numbers. That supports what I see. Barabonov is a good complimentary 3rd guy on a line but not strong enough to drive a line, even with Hertl.