Blue Jays Discussion: Shapiro presser | Tony LaCava named interim GM, Gibbons to return next year
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BertCorbeau
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"The value of the qualifying offer, which is determined annually by averaging the top 125 player salaries from the previous year, will be worth $15.8MM this offseason. All qualifying offers are for the same duration (one year) and the same amount (i.e., $15.8MM for 2015-16)."
There's some really good info on QO's at MLBTR.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/explaining-the-qualifying-offer-system.html
BertCorbeau
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Perfect ... If he accepts I'd take Estrada back on that salary for only one year, given the holes in the rotation .. But he's probably more inclined to test free agency for a longer deal - so compensation pick time
It's the minimum amount required for this season.
Estrada will decline because a multi-year contract awaits in free agency even if it doesn't come close to $15M per year.
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Worst call for balls/strikes I've seen was the one nearly in the dirt to end a game last season. Even the pitcher seemed shocked
The one with Joe Nathan pitching against Tampa? (I think)
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yes. If him and the Jays come to terms on a long term contract that Estrada prefers instead of the QO then he declines the QO and signs the deal.
He has a week to take the QO, I'd imagine the Jays will wait until his decision before offering him anything long term, because if he declines then that could decrease his offers elsewhere because of the pick compensation. Thus the Jays might get him on a better deal after he declines rather than now.
Yes (assuming he doesn't accept)
Also for worst strike call ever?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O39jHkQ83HE&t=1m40s
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You might be the first person in the history of hf to use it in that context without doing so to intentionally reference the usual offensive definition.
There was a long conversation about taking it out of the filter for that reason, but it was eventually agreed that the one or two legit uses per year weren't worth the hundreds of posts where someone would use it offensively.
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You might be the first person in the history of hf to use it in that context without doing so to intentionally reference the usual offensive definition.
There was a long conversation about taking it out of the filter for that reason, but it was eventually agreed that the one or two legit uses per year weren't worth the hundreds of posts where someone would use it offensively.
Understood. I immediately was like "oh I see why" lol.
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a couple things I still don't like with the compensation system
1) The fact that a player has to be with you the entire year before you can offer compensation
The reason that was done in part is because when AA traded for a guy after the year was over just so he could get a draft pick(turned out to be Dwight Smith JR now in NH), but that was under a different system, with type A and B free agents. Under the current system if you want the compensation, you have to offer them the QO which currently is at 15.8 million. Nobody is going to offer someone that money unless they're a good player, and you're not going to trade for a guy just so you can offer him that money because the team giving him up is giving up a pick. In the extremely rare case where team A doesn't plan on offering a QO so team B who would trades for them for peanuts once the year is over so they can offer the QO, just make a rule that they have to be acquired before the trade deadline the previous year. It's dumb that we can't QO and get a pick for Price.
This creates an imbalance with trade value. Detroit trading Price for instance knows that if they hang onto him they get a pick if he walks. So they're gonna want at least that much in return and more on top of it to do the deal. Toronto doesn't get he compensation so they don't want to offer up the compensation equivalent on top of the value. It just hampers the value on pending free agent trades because the trading team has an additional comp pick they're giving up while the acquiring team doesn't have that they're getting at the end of the year.
2) comp picks were put in so that lower budget teams can still remain competitive when their good players walk because they can't afford to keep them. However I don't really like that the team signing the player has to give up a pick. Why not just have a system where is a QO is decline and the player signs elsewhere the team losing the player gets a pick but the team signing them doesn't give up a pick? Why does the signing team have to be penalized? The lower budget team who lost their pending free agent gets compensated to even the playing field a bit, that's enough. I mean it would add 10-15 picks per year but what harm is that? It's like they felt the pick they're getting has to come from somewhere so take it from the signing team but why not just add a pick?
1) The fact that a player has to be with you the entire year before you can offer compensation
The reason that was done in part is because when AA traded for a guy after the year was over just so he could get a draft pick(turned out to be Dwight Smith JR now in NH), but that was under a different system, with type A and B free agents. Under the current system if you want the compensation, you have to offer them the QO which currently is at 15.8 million. Nobody is going to offer someone that money unless they're a good player, and you're not going to trade for a guy just so you can offer him that money because the team giving him up is giving up a pick. In the extremely rare case where team A doesn't plan on offering a QO so team B who would trades for them for peanuts once the year is over so they can offer the QO, just make a rule that they have to be acquired before the trade deadline the previous year. It's dumb that we can't QO and get a pick for Price.
This creates an imbalance with trade value. Detroit trading Price for instance knows that if they hang onto him they get a pick if he walks. So they're gonna want at least that much in return and more on top of it to do the deal. Toronto doesn't get he compensation so they don't want to offer up the compensation equivalent on top of the value. It just hampers the value on pending free agent trades because the trading team has an additional comp pick they're giving up while the acquiring team doesn't have that they're getting at the end of the year.
2) comp picks were put in so that lower budget teams can still remain competitive when their good players walk because they can't afford to keep them. However I don't really like that the team signing the player has to give up a pick. Why not just have a system where is a QO is decline and the player signs elsewhere the team losing the player gets a pick but the team signing them doesn't give up a pick? Why does the signing team have to be penalized? The lower budget team who lost their pending free agent gets compensated to even the playing field a bit, that's enough. I mean it would add 10-15 picks per year but what harm is that? It's like they felt the pick they're getting has to come from somewhere so take it from the signing team but why not just add a pick?
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It's not just Stroman. I was pretty much widely accepted then he was retiring after this year.
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Give Buehrle the QO so when he signs the 1 day contract to retire as a White Sox they have to give us a pick 
Even if that happened they'd wait until after the draft to do that so they wouldn't have to give us a pick.
Even if that happened they'd wait until after the draft to do that so they wouldn't have to give us a pick.
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