Value of: Shane Pinto candidate for offer sheet.

[The Devilish Buffoon]

words can have more than one meaning.

Lol ok so every player who has not signed on January or July 1st has held out. Good to know. Always good chatting with you... a real meeting of the mind.

 

[Szechwan]

It is pretty funny that a player got caught gambling, said "uh, it was wasn't me, it was my friend" and all the Sens fans seem to have bought it

That is an elementary school level excuse. That said, while he might be a moron, he did his time.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Lol ok so every player who has not signed on January or July 1st has held out. Good to know. Always good chatting with you... a real meeting of the mind.

not everything is as black and white as you want it to be. there is a normal back and forth in negotiations. when both sides reach a stalemate and negotiations stop then i think you can say they are holding out for more money

 

[Gil Gunderson]

It is pretty funny that a player got caught gambling, said "uh, it was wasn't me, it was my friend" and all the Sens fans seem to have bought it

That is an elementary school level excuse. That said, while he might be a moron, he did his time.

The truth is we really don't care if he did it or not.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

not everything is as black and white as you want it to be. there is a normal back and forth in negotiations. when both sides reach a stalemate and negotiations stop then i think you can say they are holding out for more money

Negotiations stopped because they knew he was going to be suspended.

It was as much a holdout as Lafreniere’s was a holdout. The fact is that contract holdout is almost always used to refer to a player who doesnt report. What you are describing is far closer to a negotiation than anything. Certain words mean things in a certain context, when you use them in a way that is not how they are typically used, you can expect some pushback.

It is pretty funny that a player got caught gambling, said "uh, it was wasn't me, it was my friend" and all the Sens fans seem to have bought it

That is an elementary school level excuse. That said, while he might be a moron, he did his time.

It wasnt his excuse, its what has been reported. Where that info came from and whether the source is credible is another story but it seems like he has been told to stay absolutely silent (and seems to have done so). I doubt the info came from him but if it did, we wouldnt know

 

[SPF6ty9]

 

[SpezDispenser]

It is pretty funny that a player got caught gambling, said "uh, it was wasn't me, it was my friend" and all the Sens fans seem to have bought it

That is an elementary school level excuse. That said, while he might be a moron, he did his time.

I personally couldn't care less that he did it. Just don't do it again and get suspended.

 

[wavaxa2]

barely anyone offersheets anymore. the time to get pinto was during his holdout

Wasn't he a 10.2(c) RFA? Can't offer sheet those guys.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Don't bet on it.

 

[TeamRenzo]

It is pretty funny that a player got caught gambling, said "uh, it was wasn't me, it was my friend" and all the Sens fans seem to have bought it

That is an elementary school level excuse. That said, while he might be a moron, he did his time.

Why would Sens fans care either way?

 

[dirtydanglez]

Wasn't he a 10.2(c) RFA? Can't offer sheet those guys.

yup, but still acquirable by trade.

 

[Khelandros]

Ottawa, 2024-25, with this seasons roster plus Pinto and Brannstrom signed to identical $5MM deals.

They have $1.9MM in cap space but missing an entire 4th line.

 

[JackieDaytona]

Ottawa, 2024-25, with this seasons roster plus Pinto and Brannstrom signed to identical $5MM deals.

They have $1.9MM in cap space but missing an entire 4th line.

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Why would Ottawa offer Brannstrom a 5m aav deal? I’m a supporter, but it’s arguable that last year was a better year for him than this, and also he’s slotted in on the third pair for the foreseeable future: if he’s not traded this off-season which is more likely.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

yup, but still acquirable by trade.

Equally so as he is now, sure.

 

[NyQuil]

Ottawa, 2024-25, with this seasons roster plus Pinto and Brannstrom signed to identical $5MM deals.

They have $1.9MM in cap space but missing an entire 4th line.

You must be Brannstrom's agent.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Ottawa, 2024-25, with this seasons roster plus Pinto and Brannstrom signed to identical $5MM deals.

They have $1.9MM in cap space but missing an entire 4th line.

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We won't be icing 8 d-men and Brannstrom isn't getting 5 mil lmao.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Such honest corporate succubuses, them. Totally legal, and totally immoral!

But ftr, I’m pretty sure sharing gambling accounts is a thing. Different laws in different states, so I give a buddy $200 to bet on whatever works in his state and not in mine.

Pinto and pal somehow goofed up, and it looked bad enough Gary gave ‘em 41 games. Good player, though, and a f***ing ridiculous thing to get suspended for. Can’t imagine anyone betting anywhere near their team, and the nhl brought it upon themselves with their greed if any shady shit happens. Pinto just seems to have done dumb for a second and is kinda a sacrificial lamb here.

Isn't placing bets on behalf of someone else acting like an unlicensed bookie? That's why you're not allowed to be a cell phone inline at a sports book.

 

[Divine]

Literally the only details we know are that it wasn't related to hockey better lmao

Dunning Kruger in action.

Well we know Evander Kane used illegal bookies to bet up to 50 times a day and the NHL didn't bat an eye.

Another gambling scandal involving Evander Kane?!

Rumours are emerging, involving gambling, scandal and bankruptcy…

www.hockeyfeed.com

Kane once claimed to have placed as many as 50 bets per day with illegal bookmakers when he was in the grip of his gambling addiction.

Meanwhile, Shane Pinto, who "didn't bet on hockey" gets hit with a 41 game suspension.

So there must be a substantial difference between what Evander Kane did and what Shane Pinto did.

 

[thefutures]

Very good player. The gambling will not affect his next contract.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Well we know Evander Kane used illegal bookies to bet up to 50 times a day and the NHL didn't bat an eye.

So there must be a substantial difference between what Evander Kane did and what Shane Pinto did.

i think its probably the 3rd party proof that made the difference. some gambling company approached the nhl about pinto's probable involvement. where with kane it was with bookies so no paper trail.

 

[Divine]

i think its probably the 3rd party proof that made the difference. some gambling company approached the nhl about pinto's probable involvement. where with kane it was with bookies so no paper trail.

Kane himself admitted in his own court statement that he was betting 50 times a day.

That's why the story doesn't add up at all.

50 bets a day, gambling because of lockout losses: Evander Kane's final pitch for Chapter 11

Kane's post-trial brief laid out arguments to explain the Oilers winger's spiraling debt.

theathletic.com

NHL star Evander Kane said in judicial papers filed last week that he wagered sometimes as often as 50 times a day, which is in large part why he filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy with liabilities topping $26 million.

Kane himself made a statement in a court of law that he was betting 50 times a day. It wasn't a third party statement.

Somehow though we're supposed to believe that Kane who had himself admitted to betting up to 50 times a day did nothing wrong but Shane Pinto should be handed a 41 game suspension that he himself won't even bother to appeal despite the fact that "there's no evidence Pinto bet on NHL games?"

Yeah, I'm not buying it.

 

[herzausstein]

Ottawa, 2024-25, with this seasons roster plus Pinto and Brannstrom signed to identical $5MM deals.

They have $1.9MM in cap space but missing an entire 4th line.

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No way brannstrom gets anywhere near that but it does allow for $10MM between the two so an offersheet near $8.5MM like i mentioned earlier would put them i a little bit bind but theyve got some left over cap to make things work.

 

[stempniaksen]

Dave Poulin loves Shane Pinto like a son. He's not being moved.

Non-Sens fans in this thread are out to lunch honestly. Both on the specifics around the gambling accusations, the price to acquire him and the fact he's even available in the first place.

Brannstrom getting 5M AAV might be the most egregious thing said in this entire thread though.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Kane himself admitted in his own court statement that he was betting 50 times a day.

That's why the story doesn't add up at all.

50 bets a day, gambling because of lockout losses: Evander Kane's final pitch for Chapter 11

Kane's post-trial brief laid out arguments to explain the Oilers winger's spiraling debt.

theathletic.com

Kane himself made a statement in a court of law that he was betting 50 times a day. It wasn't a third party statement.

Somehow though we're supposed to believe that Kane who had himself admitted to betting up to 50 times a day did nothing wrong but Shane Pinto should be handed a 41 game suspension that he himself won't even bother to appeal because "he didn't bet on NHL games"?

Yeah, I'm not buying it.

yes but unless kane goes into more details i dont think that investation goes anywhere.

 

[Divine]

yes but unless kane goes into more details i dont think that investation goes anywhere.

Yes, but surely that suggests what Pinto did was more than just betting on non-NHL games.

Kane openly admitted to the same and faced zero consequences.