Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[Leaf Fans]

They won two cups post ELC. Must be nice to have a GM that doesn't ruin the cheap RFA years.

Additionally the only person who wasted ELC years was Dubas when he decided to light a year on fire to play games with Willy.

Dude wasted the most valuable ELC year ( the last one). Then signed them all to outrageous Numbers.

Going to be great when they get a combined 7/10 million dollar raise two years earlier then mcdavid

It will be better if they sign with Toronto two years earlier than McDavid- Of course, they are going to get raises.

 

[Racer88]

There's a wonderful example of a team that didn't quite understand how to manage the cap, and literally the moment they started paying Toews and Kane elite money in 2015-16 their team started to fall apart and they never made it out of the first round again, with all the contracts they handed to guys to go all the way into their late 30s started costing them actual good players.

A stark contrast with the Leafs, who have only gotten better since they signed their guys to elite money and have nobody signed into their serious decline years.

I would take The hawks cups over the Leafs record any day

It will be better if they sign with Toronto two years earlier than McDavid- Of course, they are going to get raises.

Hopefully they will have done something to deserve that raise

 

[Leaf Fans]

I would take The hawks cups over the Leafs record any day


Hopefully they will have done something to deserve that raise

They have done a lot already, but playoff success is the something we need.

 

[mikeyz]

There's a wonderful example of a team that didn't quite understand how to manage the cap, and literally the moment they started paying Toews and Kane elite money in 2015-16 their team started to fall apart and they never made it out of the first round again, with all the contracts they handed to guys to go all the way into their late 30s started costing them actual good players.

A stark contrast with the Leafs, who have only gotten better since they signed their guys to elite money and have nobody signed into their serious decline years.

The Hawks paid Toews and Kane after they won the cup.

Dubas paid Matthews and Marner before they even won a round.

Have you spotted the difference yet???

 

[Racer88]

They have done a lot already, but playoff success is the something we need.

I agree they need to have some playoff success Otherwise we will be just paying more for the same playoff failure

 

[Leaf Fans]

I agree they need to have some playoff success Otherwise we will be just paying more for the same playoff failure

No, we would be paying for future success. The question is whether it will be delivered.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

The Hawks paid Toews and Kane after they won the cup.

Dubas paid Matthews and Marner before they even won a round.

Have you spotted the difference yet???

Matthews and marner outplay their AAV by a lot.

Kane and Toews do not. Individually Kane does but the combination of the 2 does not. Then the rest of their roster hasn't been well constructed since their cup wins either.

Leafs can end the trend of >$$ whatever team hasn't won a cup yet if management wakes up.

People rightfully call out management but aren't focusing on the real reasons management sucks.

 

[egd27]

There's a wonderful example of a team that didn't quite understand how to manage the cap, and literally the moment they started paying Toews and Kane elite money in 2015-16 their team started to fall apart and they never made it out of the first round again, with all the contracts they handed to guys to go all the way into their late 30s started costing them actual good players.

A stark contrast with the Leafs, who have only gotten better since they signed their guys to elite money and have nobody signed into their serious decline years.

What ?

 

[egd27]

No, we would be paying for future success. The question is whether it will be delivered.

I believe the proper term here in Leafland is expected success, not future success

 

[Racer88]

Matthews and marner outplay their AAV by a lot.

Kane and Toews do not. Individually Kane does but the combination of the 2 does not. Then the rest of their roster hasn't been well constructed since their cup wins either.

Leafs can end the trend of >$$ whatever team hasn't won a cup yet if management wakes up.

People rightfully call out management but aren't focusing on the real reasons management sucks.

Ok, what is the real reason management sucks?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I believe the proper term here in Leafland is expected success, not future success

Well, I expect success anyway.

 

[zeke]

Same age here.

Yeah I think Chicago's GM did just fine...when the above pictures were taken they were already two Cups deep with 11 total playoff round round wins.

Toronto, not even a round.

"Not smart enough"

Completely flopped as an org as soon as they had to pay Toews and Kane market price. Not surprising.

 

[andora]

Completely flopped as an org as soon as they had to pay Toews and Kane market price. Not surprising.

This just turned into a mindf*** if i have ever seen one

 

[mikeyz]

Completely flopped as an org as soon as they had to pay Toews and Kane market price. Not surprising.

Lol dude. Stop. Just stop.

Matthews and marner outplay their AAV by a lot.

Kane and Toews do not. Individually Kane does but the combination of the 2 does not. Then the rest of their roster hasn't been well constructed since their cup wins either.

Leafs can end the trend of >$$ whatever team hasn't won a cup yet if management wakes up.

People rightfully call out management but aren't focusing on the real reasons management sucks.

Okay. What real reason does management suck?

Well, I expect success anyway.

You might. But some others on here don't.

 

[Leaf Fans]

You might. But some others on here don't.

I know.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Lol dude. Stop. Just stop.

You don't enjoy any of his 10,000 reasons why Team X is worse than the Leafs?

 

[mikeyz]

You don't enjoy any of his 10,000 reasons why Team X is worse than the Leafs?

Lol. I do. But claiming that a certain team X is worse because they paid their stars after winning a cup is a bit much!

 

[zeke]

This just turned into a mindf*** if i have ever seen one

Would have been nice to have a GM that didn't punt our elite ELC years.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Ok, what is the real reason management sucks?

Using past cup winners as example as well as players we let go stupidly who fit into the cap, explain to me why the cap left after the core 4 isn't enough to win a cup.

They simply do not know how to construct a roster. No depth who play like the cup is worth anything. Can't evaluate breakout players (playoffs) before the pay raise. Can't inject any ELC's into the lineup to support the team and when we finally have one worth playing they take him out. Never have a real 4th line. Skillsets throughout the roster is not balanced. Do I need to go on?

Core 4 was given them to them for free (big 3 drafted and JT wanted to play here since he was born), explain to me what exactly has management done besides giving our best players extensions? We don't even have proper goaltending department, and it showed.

 

[rocketman588]

It will be better if they sign with Toronto two years earlier than McDavid- Of course, they are going to get raises.

How is it a good thing that we might have two dudes making more money then Mcdavid for a year or two

That's why you don't hand out 5/6 year deals

 

[keonsbitterness]

Lol. I do. But claiming that a certain team X is worse because they paid their stars after winning a cup is a bit much!

If we had just won three Cups, I wouldn't care if we had six $12 million players the next year.

 

[Leaf Fans]

How is it a good thing that we might have two dudes making more money then Mcdavid for a year or two

That's why you don't hand out 5/6 year deals

It will be better if they sign with Toronto because then we will have the players instead of another team. I think we will still have room for McDavid.

 

[rocketman588]

Would have been nice to have a GM that didn't punt our elite ELC years.

You mean like Dubas did when he let willy sit for half a year then bent over for him anyways ( in the most valuable ELC years for his stars btw).

Chicago won 2/3 cups after Keith/towes/kane's elc. Would have been nice to win a cup and THEN get value during the RFA control years

Instead we paid 2 players more then both Kane and towes and then signed a third in ufa.

We have 4 additional players making more then Duncan Keith

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Would have been nice to have a GM that didn't punt our elite ELC years.

Lou did waste having his best players on ELC. Nothing but wasted years by Lou and his protege Dubas following suit.

 

[egd27]

Lol. I do. But claiming that a certain team X is worse because they paid their stars after winning a cup is a bit much!

Look closer....he used "The Hawks never made it past the first round after paying Toews and Kane" as his argument for bad cap management by another team.

He actually wrote that