Schnieder signs offer sheet to play in Dallas

[Dryden]

Oh this should be fun. Glad I'm on the outside of this argument this time

 

[HFNHLOilers]

My first ever RFA offer ive made and ive started a war and created an enemy lol this leagues GMs have alot of passion

 

[The old geezer]

My first ever RFA offer ive made and ive started a war and created an enemy lol this leagues GMs have alot of passion

RFA offers generally result in some uproar every year. Goes with the territory Zac and a small controversy at that. As was previously stated I highly doubt yours was the only RFA offer for Scheider, I came very close to submitting a couple myself including on Schneider. If it weren't for the questions about Raymonds back I probably would have put an RFA offer in there as well ... maybe somebody else did which would really drive Robb nuts.

RFA offers from Nick and I on Seabrook and Gleason respectively unfortunately resulted in one GM deciding to resign a few years back so this is small potatoes.

 

[Ohio Jones]

My first ever RFA offer ive made and ive started a war and created an enemy lol this leagues GMs have alot of passion

Best league short of the real thing, baby!

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

RFA offers from Nick and I on Seabrook and Gleason respectively unfortunately resulted in one GM deciding to resign a few years back so this is small potatoes.

Yeah, whenever I see Claudio now, I'm not allowed to use the name.

He Who Shall Not Be Mentioned.

<cough> Seabrook <cough>

 

[Dryden]

It wasn't the offers that pissed him off though. Wasn't there a mix up with a deadline or something?

 

[The old geezer]

It wasn't the offers that pissed him off though. Wasn't there a mix up with a deadline or something?

Seem to recall he had simply stated, before the RFA offers were announced, that he would match all offers. Then when it was actually time to respond to RFA offers he didn't respond believing the earlier statement should suffice.

Either way he would have had reason to be frustrated. If I recall correctly if he matched the combined offers would have put him well above the cap and he would have had to dump salary elsewhere.

 

[Canuck09]

$990K per season for 3 years was too low for an agent to bother responding. It would be strange to see you matching $4M when you could have had him for much lower.

Even if it was $1 for 3 years shouldn't an agent always respond? At least lie and say the offer wasn't received. To say the agent won't respond if the offer is deemed too low isn't right to me.

 

[Canuck09]

It wasn't the offers that pissed him off though. Wasn't there a mix up with a deadline or something?

The initial results were posted, Claudio said he would match, bunch of mistakes were pointed out so FA was basically a do-over. Once results were posted again Claudio didn't confirm again in the correct place and had to give up his players for draft pick compensation.

 

[Ville Isopaa]

Even if it was $1 for 3 years shouldn't an agent always respond? At least lie and say the offer wasn't received. To say the agent won't respond if the offer is deemed too low isn't right to me.

agreed

 

[Wildman]

Even if it was $1 for 3 years shouldn't an agent always respond? At least lie and say the offer wasn't received. To say the agent won't respond if the offer is deemed too low isn't right to me.

The offer was QO or 3 years at $990k. The agent noted the QO. As for responding, the GM should know better than just randomly offering a low ball offer. If you provide justification on offers than we would reply. We also have 3 strike rule which we hardly use.

 

[MatthewFlames]

The initial results were posted, Claudio said he would match, bunch of mistakes were pointed out so FA was basically a do-over. Once results were posted again Claudio didn't confirm again in the correct place and had to give up his players for draft pick compensation.

Actually - the real problem was that Claudio DIDN'T respond at all after the RFA offers were announced, either the first time or from the do-over - I sent him emails right at the deadline but he didn't respond. When he finally said he would match it was already long after the deadline and the players were already moving....

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

Actually - the real problem was that Claudio DIDN'T respond at all after the RFA offers were announced, either the first time or from the do-over - I sent him emails right at the deadline but he didn't respond. When he finally said he would match it was already long after the deadline and the players were already moving....

Not just that, but it was a horrible precedent. After all, everyone knew he didn't actually mean "Any offer". Otherwise, division rivals could have signed Gleason and Seebrook to 4 year x $8M deals, and he would have been obviously upset and said "no way I would match those offers".

Which is to say, somewhere between their last salary and the league maximum, there WAS a salary amount for each player (and the relative compensation) that he would have wanted to walk away from. But to claim "I will match anything" in order to scare away bidders, doesn't actually mean he would actually match anything. That was the main problem with him just posting that and turning a blind eye to the whole situation.

As such, he lost both players, and rightfully so.

 

[Dryden]

Yeah but was who we got stuck with better than the alternative?

 

[Canuck09]

Yeah but was who we got stuck with better than the alternative?

 

[HFNHL blogger]

Yeah but was who we got stuck with better than the alternative?

Lmfao

 

[Dryden]

Sorry about that. I blame Mill St. Drinking beer makes my tongue a little looser

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

The offer was QO or 3 years at $990k. The agent noted the QO. As for responding, the GM should know better than just randomly offering a low ball offer. If you provide justification on offers than we would reply. We also have 3 strike rule which we hardly use.

for real?

i was giving the agent the benefit of the doubt that with all the contracts they had to deal with, this was missed and i just chalked it up to the fact our agents are volunteers and sometimes stuff happens.

however, i fail to see how offering a guy who makes 900k in the NHL and contract for 990k is so much a lowball offer that the agent would choose to simply ignore it.

what am i missing that makes 990k a low ball offer????

the player makes 900k in the NHL, is a back up goalie and has a career games played of 35.

 

[HFNHL blogger]

Sorry about that. I blame Mill St. Drinking beer makes my tongue a little looser

As long as it doesn't start to make dudes look handsome, you'll be okay.

 

[Dempsey]

for real?

i was giving the agent the benefit of the doubt that with all the contracts they had to deal with, this was missed and i just chalked it up to the fact our agents are volunteers and sometimes stuff happens.

however, i fail to see how offering a guy who makes 900k in the NHL and contract for 990k is so much a lowball offer that the agent would choose to simply ignore it.

what am i missing that makes 990k a low ball offer????

the player makes 900k in the NHL, is a back up goalie and has a career games played of 35.

Didn't you notice Schneider still listed as an RFA on all the free agency lists, including the final one?

990k doesn't strike me as a lowball offer, if it were a shorter term. No way would I expect to get that price locked in for 3 years. Just my opinion.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

Didn't you notice Schneider still listed as an RFA on all the free agency lists, including the final one?

990k doesn't strike me as a lowball offer, if it were a shorter term. No way would I expect to get that price locked in for 3 years. Just my opinion.

clearly it is reasonable basis to engage a discussion.

regardless, not the agents fault the player is an RFA, follow up was my responsibility. i was simply surprised by the comment in this thread.

 

[Wildman]

clearly it is reasonable basis to engage a discussion.

regardless, not the agents fault the player is an RFA, follow up was my responsibility. i was simply surprised by the comment in this thread.

If you would have simply checked his NHL contract before submitting your offer you would have noticed that Scneider had an auto sign of $900K but you chose to offer 3 year at $990K and qualify him. I chose to take your QO because it was in the best interest for Schneider.

If you feel that $990K was reasonable offer than take the compensation of 1st and 3rd and walk away from $4M contract for a back up goalie.

 

[Fooladelfia]

If you would have simply checked his NHL contract before submitting your offer you would have noticed that Scneider had an auto sign of $900K but you chose to offer 3 year at $990K and qualify him. I chose to take your QO because it was in the best interest for Schneider.

If you feel that $990K was reasonable offer than take the compensation of 1st and 3rd and walk away from $4M contract for a back up goalie.

BTW he's a back-up in Vancouver ...dosen't mean he will be back-up in another team....He's a starter stuck in Vancouver. ..But yes ...Back-up... but FOR NOW

 

[kasper11]

Didn't you notice Schneider still listed as an RFA on all the free agency lists, including the final one?

990k doesn't strike me as a lowball offer, if it were a shorter term. No way would I expect to get that price locked in for 3 years. Just my opinion.

990k was a terrible offer....as an RFA, his QO this year was 935k, next year would have been over $1M, over $1.1M the year after. In other words, he would have been accepting less than his qualifying offers.

As to the response, it would have been nice, as a couple of mine were not responded to. I just assumed it was because the agents were swamped in the days before free agency started.

 

[Hossa]

I can't believe of all the possible contracts for Schneider, the cheapest and easiest was his auto-sign - 1 year, 900k. Why even bother qualifying him? Auto-signing him was a gimme.

Bizarre story all-round.