WJC: Scenarios

[Canada4Gold]

Edit: New scenarios for tomorrow:

Sweden Win:
1. Sweden
2. Russia
3. USA

USA OT/SO Win:
1.Russia
2. USA
3. Sweden

USA Regulation Win:
1. USA
2. Russia
3. Sweden
--------------------------
Czech Republic Win:
4. Czech Republic
5. Austria

Austria OT/SO Win:
4. Czech Republic
5. Austria

Austria Regulation Win:
4. Austria
5. Czech Republic
----------------------------
Canada Win:
1. Canada
2. Finland
3. Germany
4. Slovakia
5. Switzerland

Finland Win:
1. Finland
2. Canada
3. Germany
4. Slovakia
5. Switzerland

Canada

Canada Finishes 1st if:
- Canada beats Finland
- Canada loses to Finland in OT/SO and Finland loses to Slovakia

Canada Finishes 2nd if:
- Canada loses to Finland in regulation
- Canada loses to Finland in OT/SO and Finland beats Slovakia

Canada cannot finish 3rd, 4th or 5th

Finland

Finland Finishes 1st if:
- Finland beats Canada in regulation
- Finland beats Canada in OT/SO and beats Slovakia

Finland Finishes 2nd if:
- Finland beats Canada in OT/SO and loses to Slovakia
- Finland loses to Canada and beats Slovakia
- Finland loses to Canada and loses to Slovakia in OT/SO

Finland Finishes 3rd if:
- Finland loses to Canada and loses to Slovakia in regulation

Finland cannot finish 4th or 5th

Slovakia

Slovakia cannot finish 1st

Slovakia Finishes 2nd if:
- Slovakia beats Finland in regulation and Finland loses to Canada

Slovakia Finishes 3rd if:
- Slovakia beats Finland in regulation and Finland beats Canada
- Slovakia beats Finland in OT/SO
- Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO and Germany doesn't beat Switzerland in regulation
- Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation and Switzerland beats Germany

Slovakia Finishes 4th if:
- Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO and Germany beats Switzerland in regulation
- Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation and Germany beats Switzerland

Slovakia cannot finish 5th

Germany

Germany cannot finish 1st or 2nd

Germany Finishes 3rd if:
- Germany beats Switzerland in regulation and Slovakia loses to Finland
- Germany beats Switzerland in OT/SO and Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation

Germany Finishes 4th if:
- Germany beats Switzerland and Slovakia beats Finland
- Germany beats Switzerland in OT/SO and Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO
- Germany loses to Switzerland in OT/SO

Germany Finishes 5th if:
- Germany loses to Switzerland in regulation

Switzerland

Switzerland cannot finish 1st, 2nd, or 3rd

Switzerland Finishes 4th if:
- Switzerland beats Germany in regulation

Switzerland Finishes 5th if:
- Switzerland doesn't beat Germany in regulation

Sweden

Sweden Finishes 1st if:
- Sweden beats Russia and USA
- Sweden beats Russia and loses to USA in OT/SO
- Sweden beats USA and loses to Russia in OT/SO

Sweden Finishes 2nd if:
- Sweden loses to Russia in regulation and beats USA
- Sweden loses to USA in regulation and beats Russia

Sweden Finishes 3rd if:
- Sweden loses to USA and Russia

Sweden cannot finish 4th or 5th

Russia

Russia Finishes 1st if:
- Russia beats Sweden in regulation
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden in OT/SO

Russia Finishes 2nd if:
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats USA
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden in regulation
- Russia loses to Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats USA
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats USA in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

Russia Finishes 3rd if:
- Russia loses to Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats USA in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

Russia Finishes 4th if:
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation

Russia cannot finish 5th

USA

USA Finishes 1st if:
- USA beats Sweden in regulation, and Russia doesn't beat Sweden in regulation

USA Finishes 2nd if:
- USA beats Sweden in regulation and Russia beats Sweden in regulation
- USA beats Sweden in OT/SO
- USA loses to Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats Russia in regulation
- USA loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation

USA Finishes 3rd if:
- USA loses to Sweden and Sweden doesn't beat Russia in regulation
- USA loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

USA cannot finish 4th or 5th

Czech Republic

Czech Republic cannot finish 1st, or 2nd

Czech Republic Finishes 3rd if:
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation

Czech Republic Finishes 4th if:
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation and Sweden doesn't beat Russia in regulation
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation and Sweden beats USA in regulation
- Czech Republic and Austria is decided in OT/SO

Czech Republic Finishes 5th if:
- Czech Republic loses to Austria in regulation

Austria

Austria cannot finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd

Austria Finishes 4th if Austria beats Czech Republic in regulation

Austria Finishes 5th if Austria doesn't beat Czech Republic in regulation

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[Canada4Gold]

I just typed this up manually so it's possible there may be an error in there. If you think there's an error let me know. If you're not sure why a scenario leaves a team in a certain place don't hesitate to ask. I will explain, or if I've made an error will correct it.

Unfortunately can't do the tables this year which are easier to read because there are 3 games in each pool left, and I can't do a 3D table. If I wait until after today's games it's simplified enough there's no need for a table, so I decided to do it now in this form.

 

[ORRFForever]

Canada

Canada Finishes 1st if:
- Canada beats Finland
- Canada loses to Finland in OT/SO and Finland loses to Slovakia

Canada Finishes 2nd if:
- Canada loses to Finland in regulation
- Canada loses to Finland in OT/SO and Finland beats Slovakia

Canada cannot finish 3rd, 4th or 5th

Finland

Finland Finishes 1st if:
- Finland beats Canada in regulation
- Finland beats Canada in OT/SO and beats Slovakia

Finland Finishes 2nd if:
- Finland beats Canada in OT/SO and loses to Slovakia
- Finland loses to Canada and beats Slovakia
- Finland loses to Canada and loses to Slovakia in OT/SO

Finland Finishes 3rd if:
- Finland loses to Canada and loses to Slovakia in regulation

Finland cannot finish 4th or 5th

Slovakia

Slovakia cannot finish 1st

Slovakia Finishes 2nd if:
- Slovakia beats Finland in regulation and Finland loses to Canada

Slovakia Finishes 3rd if:
- Slovakia beats Finland in regulation and Finland beats Canada
- Slovakia beats Finland in OT/SO
- Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO and Germany doesn't beat Switzerland in regulation
- Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation and Switzerland beats Germany

Slovakia Finishes 4th if:
- Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO and Germany beats Switzerland in regulation
- Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation and Germany beats Switzerland

Slovakia cannot finish 5th

Germany

Germany cannot finish 1st or 2nd

Germany Finishes 3rd if:
- Germany beats Switzerland in regulation and Slovakia loses to Finland
- Germany beats Switzerland in OT/SO and Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation

Germany Finishes 4th if:
- Germany beats Switzerland and Slovakia beats Finland
- Germany beats Switzerland in OT/SO and Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO
- Germany loses to Switzerland in OT/SO

Germany Finishes 5th if:
- Germany loses to Switzerland in regulation

Switzerland

Switzerland cannot finish 1st, 2nd, or 3rd

Switzerland Finishes 4th if:
- Switzerland beats Germany in regulation

Switzerland Finishes 5th if:
- Switzerland doesn't beat Germany in regulation

Sweden

Sweden Finishes 1st if:
- Sweden beats Russia and USA
- Sweden beats Russia and loses to USA in OT/SO
- Sweden beats USA and loses to Russia in OT/SO

Sweden Finishes 2nd if:
- Sweden loses to Russia in regulation and beats USA
- Sweden loses to USA in regulation and beats Russia

Sweden Finishes 3rd if:
- Sweden loses to USA and Russia

Sweden cannot finish 4th or 5th

Russia

Russia Finishes 1st if:
- Russia beats Sweden in regulation
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden in OT/SO

Russia Finishes 2nd if:
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats USA
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden in regulation
- Russia loses to Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats USA
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats USA in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

Russia Finishes 3rd if:
- Russia loses to Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats USA in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

Russia Finishes 4th if:
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation

Russia cannot finish 5th

USA

USA Finishes 1st if:
- USA beats Sweden in regulation, and Russia doesn't beat Sweden in regulation

USA Finishes 2nd if:
- USA beats Sweden in regulation and Russia beats Sweden in regulation
- USA beats Sweden in OT/SO
- USA loses to Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats Russia in regulation
- USA loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation

USA Finishes 3rd if:
- USA loses to Sweden and Sweden doesn't beat Russia in regulation
- USA loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

USA cannot finish 4th or 5th

Czech Republic

Czech Republic cannot finish 1st, or 2nd

Czech Republic Finishes 3rd if:
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation

Czech Republic Finishes 4th if:
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation and Sweden doesn't beat Russia in regulation
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation and Sweden beats USA in regulation
- Czech Republic and Austria is decided in OT/SO

Czech Republic Finishes 5th if:
- Czech Republic loses to Austria in regulation

Austria

Austria cannot finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd

Austria Finishes 4th if Austria beats Czech Republic in regulation

Austria Finishes 5th if Austria doesn't beat Czech Republic in regulation

You buggar. You stole my thunder.

Anyway, well done.

 

[Canada4Gold]

You buggar. You stole my thunder.

Anyway, well done.

Not trying to steal anything, just like having the scenarios out there for people to see. I do it every year, though usually wait until the final day, but the different schedule this year allowed me to get it out there early.

 

[ORRFForever]

Not trying to steal anything, just like having the scenarios out there for people to see. I do it every year, though usually wait until the final day, but the different schedule this year allowed me to get it out there early.

I THINK you are wrong if :

Sweden beats the U.S. and Russia in regulation and the Czechs beat Austria in regulation.

In that case :

Sweden has 12 points

Russia, the U.S. and the Czechs have 6.

The goal diff is used to eliminate the Czechs and they finish 4th.

Once it is down to 2 teams, head to head puts Russia in 2nd and the U.S. in 3rd.

 

[ORRFForever]

TBH, I've seen elimination different ways when there are 3 teams.

In some elimination systems, they use a tie breaker to remove one team and then they start over with the 2 remaining teams - using head to head.

Not sure how the IIHF does it so I could be wrong.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I THINK you are wrong if :

Sweden beats the U.S. and Russia in regulation and the Czechs beat Austria in regulation.

If that case :

Sweden has 12 points

Russia, the U.S. and the Czechs have 6.

The goal diff is used to eliminate the Czechs and they finish 4th.

Once it is down to 2 teams, head to head puts Russia in 2nd and the U.S. in 3rd.

They only revert to h2h in a 3 way tie if 1 step doesn't completely separate the teams. In that h2h goal difference will completely separate the teams. USA will get 2nd on h2h GD(+5), Russia 3rd on h2h GD(Even) and Czech 4th on h2h GD(-5). They would only revert if USA and Russia were tied on h2h GD and the Czechs were clear 4th, then rather than going to the next step they'd revert to the h2h.

The tie-breaking system for two teams with the same number of points in a standing will be the game between the two teams, the winner of the game taking precedence.

Due to the fact that the three-point system does not allow a game to end in a tie, then the following tie breaking procedure is applicable when three or more teams are tied in points in a Championship standing.

Should three or more teams be tied on points, then a tie breaking formula will be applied as follows, creating a sub-group amongst the tied teams. This process will continue until only two or none of the teams remain tied. In the case of two tied teams remaining, the game between the two would then be the determining tie-breaker as the game could not end as a tie. In the case of none of the teams being tied, the criteria specified in the respective step applies.

Step 1: Taking into consideration the games between each of the tied teams, a sub-group is created applying the points awarded in the direct games amongst the tied teams from which the teams are then ranked accordingly.

Step 2: Should three or more teams still remain tied in points then the better goal difference in the direct games amongst the tied teams will be decisive.

Step 3: Should three or more teams still remain tied in points and goal difference then the highest number of goals scored by these teams in their direct games will be decisive

Step 4: Should three or more teams still remain tied in points, goal difference and goals scored then the results between each of the three teams and the closest best-ranked team outside the sub-group will be applied. In this case the tied team with the best result (1. points, 2. goal difference, 3. more goals scored) against the closest best ranked-team will take precedence

Step 5: Should the teams still remain tied, then the results between each of the three teams and the next highest best-ranked team outside the sub-group will be applied.

Step 6: Should the teams still remain tied after these five steps have been exercised then Sport considerations will be applied and the teams will be ranked by their positions coming into the Championship (seeding).

 

[ORRFForever]

They only revert to h2h in a 3 way tie if 1 step doesn't completely separate the teams. In that h2h goal difference will completely separate the teams. USA will get 2nd on h2h GD(+5), Russia 3rd on h2h GD(Even) and Czech 4th on h2h GD(-5). They would only revert if USA and Russia were tied on h2h GD and the Czechs were clear 4th, then rather than going to the next step they'd revert to the h2h.

I don't know. I'm not sure that's clear. Either way : I'm sure TSN will shed some light and run thru the scenarios.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I don't know. I'm not sure that's clear. I am sure TSN will shed some light.

TSN literally gone this exact same thing wrong 3 or 4 tournament ago, only to correct themselves the next day.

It's pretty clear

This process will continue until only two or none of the teams remain tied. In the case of two tied teams remaining, the game between the two would then be the determining tie-breaker as the game could not end as a tie. In the case of none of the teams being tied, the criteria specified in the respective step applies.

In step 2 head to head goal difference none of the teams remain tied. USA is +5, Russia is Even, the Czechs are -5. The rule literally says in the case where none of the teams remain tied that criteria is used. USA gets 2nd, Russia 3rd, Czechs 4th.

 

[ORRFForever]

Canada

Canada Finishes 1st if:
- Canada beats Finland
- Canada loses to Finland in OT/SO and Finland loses to Slovakia

Canada Finishes 2nd if:
- Canada loses to Finland in regulation
- Canada loses to Finland in OT/SO and Finland beats Slovakia

Canada cannot finish 3rd, 4th or 5th

Finland

Finland Finishes 1st if:
- Finland beats Canada in regulation
- Finland beats Canada in OT/SO and beats Slovakia

Finland Finishes 2nd if:
- Finland beats Canada in OT/SO and loses to Slovakia
- Finland loses to Canada and beats Slovakia
- Finland loses to Canada and loses to Slovakia in OT/SO

Finland Finishes 3rd if:
- Finland loses to Canada and loses to Slovakia in regulation

Finland cannot finish 4th or 5th

Slovakia

Slovakia cannot finish 1st

Slovakia Finishes 2nd if:
- Slovakia beats Finland in regulation and Finland loses to Canada

Slovakia Finishes 3rd if:
- Slovakia beats Finland in regulation and Finland beats Canada
- Slovakia beats Finland in OT/SO
- Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO and Germany doesn't beat Switzerland in regulation
- Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation and Switzerland beats Germany

Slovakia Finishes 4th if:
- Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO and Germany beats Switzerland in regulation
- Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation and Germany beats Switzerland

Slovakia cannot finish 5th

Germany

Germany cannot finish 1st or 2nd

Germany Finishes 3rd if:
- Germany beats Switzerland in regulation and Slovakia loses to Finland
- Germany beats Switzerland in OT/SO and Slovakia loses to Finland in regulation

Germany Finishes 4th if:
- Germany beats Switzerland and Slovakia beats Finland
- Germany beats Switzerland in OT/SO and Slovakia loses to Finland in OT/SO
- Germany loses to Switzerland in OT/SO

Germany Finishes 5th if:
- Germany loses to Switzerland in regulation

Switzerland

Switzerland cannot finish 1st, 2nd, or 3rd

Switzerland Finishes 4th if:
- Switzerland beats Germany in regulation

Switzerland Finishes 5th if:
- Switzerland doesn't beat Germany in regulation

Sweden

Sweden Finishes 1st if:
- Sweden beats Russia and USA
- Sweden beats Russia and loses to USA in OT/SO
- Sweden beats USA and loses to Russia in OT/SO

Sweden Finishes 2nd if:
- Sweden loses to Russia in regulation and beats USA
- Sweden loses to USA in regulation and beats Russia

Sweden Finishes 3rd if:
- Sweden loses to USA and Russia

Sweden cannot finish 4th or 5th

Russia

Russia Finishes 1st if:
- Russia beats Sweden in regulation
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden in OT/SO

Russia Finishes 2nd if:
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats USA
- Russia beats Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden in regulation
- Russia loses to Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats USA
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats USA in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

Russia Finishes 3rd if:
- Russia loses to Sweden in OT/SO and USA beats Sweden
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats USA in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

Russia Finishes 4th if:
- Russia loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation

Russia cannot finish 5th

USA

USA Finishes 1st if:
- USA beats Sweden in regulation, and Russia doesn't beat Sweden in regulation

USA Finishes 2nd if:
- USA beats Sweden in regulation and Russia beats Sweden in regulation
- USA beats Sweden in OT/SO
- USA loses to Sweden in OT/SO and Sweden beats Russia in regulation
- USA loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation

USA Finishes 3rd if:
- USA loses to Sweden and Sweden doesn't beat Russia in regulation
- USA loses to Sweden in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Czech Republic doesn't beat Austria in regulation

USA cannot finish 4th or 5th

Czech Republic

Czech Republic cannot finish 1st, or 2nd

Czech Republic Finishes 3rd if:
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation, Sweden beats Russia in regulation, and Sweden doesn't beat USA in regulation

Czech Republic Finishes 4th if:
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation and Sweden doesn't beat Russia in regulation
- Czech Republic beats Austria in regulation and Sweden beats USA in regulation
- Czech Republic and Austria is decided in OT/SO

Czech Republic Finishes 5th if:
- Czech Republic loses to Austria in regulation

Austria

Austria cannot finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd

Austria Finishes 4th if Austria beats Czech Republic in regulation

Austria Finishes 5th if Austria doesn't beat Czech Republic in regulation

You obviously were having trouble sleeping.

 

[ORRFForever]

TSN literally gone this exact same thing wrong 3 or 4 tournament ago, only to correct themselves the next day.

It's pretty clear

This process will continue until only two or none of the teams remain tied. In the case of two tied teams remaining, the game between the two would then be the determining tie-breaker as the game could not end as a tie. In the case of none of the teams being tied, the criteria specified in the respective step applies.

In step 2 head to head goal difference none of the teams remain tied. USA is +5, Russia is Even, the Czechs are -5. The rule literally says in the case where none of the teams remain tied that criteria is used. USA gets 2nd, Russia 3rd, Czechs 4th.

We can agree to disagree. This isn't a competition and it isn't personal.

 

[Canada4Gold]

We can agree to disagree. This isn't a competition.

No, one would assume it's a collaboration to intepret the rules correctly, but the one who worries about having his thunder stolen surely doesn't think it's a competition

 

[ORRFForever]

No, one would assume it's a collaboration to intepret the rules correctly, but the one who worries about having his thunder stolen surely doesn't think it's a competition

Good Lord.

 

[Canada4Gold]

If we must have precedent to prove something that's pretty clearly written in the rules, here's the 2012 U18 with a 3 way Russia/Latvia/Germany tie at 6 points and the following h2h results:

Russia 6-1 Latvia
Germany 4-2 Russia
Latvia 5-4 Germany

Head to Head Goal Difference:
Russia +3
Germany +1
Latvia -4

If we eliminated Latvia and then used h2h between Germany and Russia Germany would have gotten 2nd place because they beat Russia. But Russia got 2nd place between they won the 3 way h2h goal difference. Germany then got 3rd using the same step, rather than the h2h with Latvia which Latvia would have won. The 1 step seperated all 3 teams.

2012 IIHF World U18 Championships - Wikipedia

 

[Canada4Gold]

Pool A is simple. Canada/Finland winner gets 1st, loser 2nd, Germany is 3rd, Slovakia 4th. Switzerland last.

Pool B is more complex

Russia is 1st if USA beats Sweden in OT/SO. Otherwise they're 2nd
USA is 1st if they win in regulation, 2nd if they win in OT/SO, 3rd if they lose
Sweden if 1st if they beat USA, 3rd if they lose. They cannot finish 2nd
Czechs are 4th if they don't lose to Austria in regulation , or 5th if they do
Austria is 4th if they win in regulation, 5th if they don't

 

[Canada4Gold]

This feels easier to read

Sweden Win:
1. Sweden
2. Russia
3. USA

USA OT/SO Win:
1.Russia
2. USA
3. Sweden

USA Regulation Win:
1. USA
2. Russia
3. Sweden
--------------------------
Czech Republic Win:
4. Czech Republic
5. Austria

Austria OT/SO Win:
4. Czech Republic
5. Austria

Austria Regulation Win:
4. Austria
5. Czech Republic
----------------------------
Canada Win:
1. Canada
2. Finland
3. Germany
4. Slovakia
5. Switzerland

Finland Win:
1. Finland
2. Canada
3. Germany
4. Slovakia
5. Switzerland

 

[ViD]

Hoping for Finland and Sweden wins tomorrow, USA - Canada quarterfinals will be nuts

 

[Civetty]

Hockey makes tie systems so complicated, would an OT against US tomorrow put Sweden in first or second? I'm assuming it will put USA last of three because of an regular loss and worse goal difference between the three? I also assume therefor that it would put Russia first because they would have a better goaldifference between the three? Or does it go automatically to goal difference overall if teams end up with the same amount of points?

 

[Canada4Gold]

Hockey makes tie systems so complicated, would an OT against US tomorrow put Sweden in first or second? I'm assuming it will put USA last of three because of an regular loss and worse goal difference between the three? I also assume therefor that it would put Russia first because they would have a better goaldifference between the three? Or does it go automatically to goal difference overall if teams end up with the same amount of points?

and OT what? win or loss? Any win puts Sweden 1st because it would give them 9 or 10 points which is more than Russia, and USA.

An OT loss puts them 3rd. It would give Sweden 1 more point to get to 8. It would give USA 2 more points to get to 8. Russia is already at 8 so you'd have a 3 way tie. The first timebreaker is head to head Results. Russia beat USA in regulation(3 points) and beat Sweden in OT(2 points) so they have 5 head to head points. USA lost to Russia in regulation(0 points) and in this example beats Sweden in OT(2 points) for 2 head to head points. Sweden lost to Russia in OT(1 point) and in this example loses to USA in OT/SO(1 point) for 2 head to head points. Therefore Russia is 1st via this step and Sweden/USA remain tied. 2 way ties are broken by head to head so USA/Sweden would revert to that, and in this example USA beats Sweden and would get 2nd

From OP:

USA OT/SO Win:
1.Russia
2. USA
3. Sweden

 

[Civetty]

and OT what? win or loss? Any win puts Sweden 1st because it would give them 9 or 10 points which is more than Russia, and USA.

An OT loss puts them 3rd. It would give Sweden 1 more point to get to 8. It would give USA 2 more points to get to 8. Russia is already at 8 so you'd have a 3 way tie. The first timebreaker is head to head Results. Russia beat USA in regulation(3 points) and beat Sweden in OT(2 points) so they have 5 head to head points. USA lost to Russia in regulation(0 points) and in this example beats Sweden in OT(2 points) for 2 head to head points. Sweden lost to Russia in OT(1 point) and in this example loses to USA in OT/SO(1 point) for 2 head to head points. Therefore Russia is 1st via this step and Sweden/USA remain tied. 2 way ties are broken by head to head so USA/Sweden would revert to that, and in this example USA beats Sweden and would get 2nd

From OP:

Whops meant OT loss, and you are right, Sweden would be 3rd.

But I think not because of the reason you pointed out.

Atleast in soccer I think within a threeway tie, you always bunch them together, and never look at individual scores between them.

But I think USA would get 2nd place because they'd have (-1 goal difference between the three, meanwhile Sweden would have -2), I might be very wrong though.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Whops meant OT loss, and you are right, Sweden would be 3rd.

But I think not because of the reason you pointed out.

Atleast in soccer I think within a threeway tie, you always bunch them together, and never look at individual scores between them.

But I think USA would get 2nd place because they'd have (-1 goal difference between the three, meanwhile Sweden would have -2), I might be very wrong though.

IIHF rules are different. It doesn't go to goal difference first, it goes to points in h2h results.

IIHF - Tournament Info 2021 IIHF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP

Step 1

Tie breaking formula


The tie-breaking system for two teams with the same number of points in a standing will be the game between the two teams, the winner of the game taking precedence.

Due to the fact that the three-point system does not allow a game to end in a tie, then the following tie breaking procedure is applicable when three or more teams are tied in points in a Championship standing.

Should three or more teams be tied on points, then a tie breaking formula will be applied as follows, creating a sub-group amongst the tied teams. This process will continue until only two or none of the teams remain tied. In the case of two tied teams remaining, the game between the two would then be the determining tie-breaker as the game could not end as a tie. In the case of none of the teams being tied, the criteria specified in the respective step applies.

Step 1: Taking into consideration the games between each of the tied teams, a sub-group is created applying the points awarded in the direct games amongst the tied teams from which the teams are then ranked accordingly.

Step 2: Should three or more teams still remain tied in points then the better goal difference in the direct games amongst the tied teams will be decisive.

Step 3: Should three or more teams still remain tied in points and goal difference then the highest number of goals scored by these teams in their direct games will be decisive

Step 4: Should three or more teams still remain tied in points, goal difference and goals scored then the results between each of the three teams and the closest best-ranked team outside the sub-group will be applied. In this case the tied team with the best result (1. points, 2. goal difference, 3. more goals scored) against the closest best ranked-team will take precedence

Step 5: Should the teams still remain tied, then the results between each of the three teams and the next highest best-ranked team outside the sub-group will be applied.

Step 6: Should the teams still remain tied after these five steps have been exercised then Sport considerations will be applied and the teams will be ranked by their positions coming into the Championship (seeding).

 

[Civetty]

IIHF rules are different. It doesn't go to goal difference first, it goes to points in h2h results.

IIHF - Tournament Info 2021 IIHF WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP

Step 1

Fair, I shouldn't even question you guys, you know this better.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Fair, I shouldn't even question you guys, you know this better.

No worries. When I just post the results without explaining the reason for them I should expect to get questions, and the questions are absolutely fair. There's no reason for someone to just believe a random person on the internet unless they explain their logic.