Player Discussion Sam Colangelo

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So Gulls only?

Gulls only. Only two reasons to go this route: They don't want to burn a year of ELC, or they aren't sure he's worthy of a contract. Since he can sign with any NHL team at this point, seems they convinced him to not burn a year somehow.

He must really want to sign here to not bargain for that carrot.

 

[Rasp]

Very strange its only the Gulls... Would love more info on this

 

[Static]

Contrast it with nesterenko, where, at this point, it most definitely seems like we used the "come play NHL games and be a year closer to real money" as a way to get him to sign.

This isn't that. Kind of weird.

 

[MMC]

Gulls only. Only two reasons to go this route: They don't want to burn a year of ELC, or they aren't sure he's worthy of a contract. Since he can sign with any NHL team at this point, seems they convinced him to not burn a year somehow.

He must really want to sign here to not bargain for that carrot.

The third option albeit the one I think is least likely is that he isn't sure if he wants to sign here or not but wanted to start his pro career

 

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The third option albeit the one I think is least likely is that he isn't sure if he wants to sign here or not but wanted to start his pro career

Doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense. Unless someone car argue that nobody was willing to burn a year of ELC for him? I seriously doubt that.

One variable is if they are trying to keep contract slots open. That's a long shot.

 

[MMC]

Doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense. Unless someone car argue that nobody was willing to burn a year of ELC for him? I seriously doubt that.

One variable is if they are trying to keep contract slots open. That's a long shot.

I doubt it too but I can't think of any other reason as to why he wouldn't have signed an ELC beginning next season with an ATO with the Gulls for the remainder of this season if they wanted to sign him (we know they do) and he wanted to be here

 

[Rasp]

It must be him testing the waters to see if he wants to play here... He would have seen how poor our performances have been

 

[JAHV]

This seems like bad news for him staying a Duck. If he wanted to be here, he'd have signed the ELC already, right? This just seems like him starting his professional career to showcase himself even more for other teams.

From the Ducks' perspective, it wouldn't make sense for them to want him on the Gulls. There's plenty of room for him on the NHL roster, and the incentive for him to stay with the organization is that they can burn a year off of his ELC now.

Perhaps I don't understand the rules surrounding this, but I don't understand the incentive for either Colangelo or the Ducks to have him in San Diego IF Colangelo wants to sign with the Ducks.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

I think the ducks said sign the PTO..We wanna see more of you.. If you can handle yourself in the AHL.. You get the ECL

 

[SmokeyDuck]

I would assume its for contract space related reasons? Or an ELC is in the works and just not finalized/announced.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I would assume its for contract space related reasons? Or an ELC is in the works and just not finalized/announced.

If it is a future contract, then the roster space doesn't get counted until next year, which is what Suchanek signed.

It is very odd to sign an ATO when he could have forced the Ducks to burn an ELC this year like Nesterenko did last year. One thought could be Colangelo is testing our org. and see if it's a good fit otherwise he can simply walk away during the summer. All I know is that Colangelo's rights are currently held by the Ducks until Aug. 15th of this summer. If we don't sign him, then we lose him.

I don't like the fact Colangelo hasn't been signed to an ELC. Expect the worst, hope for the best... hope isn't a viable strategy, though.

 

[tomd]

Colangelo is a guy that wouldn't have even gotten an ELC offer a year ago. He's improved his game this year but he's also 22. Is he really that much different than an Alex Limoges was? Fans see a high draft pick and size and tons of goalscoring potential and think he deserves an ELC. The Ducks (and probably most, if not all, other teams) see a big question mark and are hesitant to tie up a contract slot. I suspect this is a "show me" situation for Colangelo to prove he can make an impact at the next level. I hope he does well and I hope the Ducks offer him an ELC but I don't think it is a given.

 

[nbducksfan19]

For what it’s worth, i noticed he liked almost every comment on his IG post thanking western Mich, except any to do with the Ducks/gulls.

The vibes I’m getting is not positive for his future with the organization. It could be the ducks decision or his, but seems something’s up.

I wonder if he’s leaving, and we are giving him a PTO to hopefully have him play well and increase an offer for his rights.

 

[190Octane]

Strange that he’d sign the PTO… why risk getting hurt when there’s probably a team willing to give him an ELC if the Ducks don’t.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

For what it’s worth, i noticed he liked almost every comment on his IG post thanking western Mich, except any to do with the Ducks/gulls.

The vibes I’m getting is not positive for his future with the organization. It could be the ducks decision or his, but seems something’s up.

I wonder if he’s leaving, and we are giving him a PTO to hopefully have him play well and increase an offer for his rights.

I mean really the best we could do is what... a 3rd? i feel like Thrun was much better imo coming out.

Wing fans seemed cool with buium for colangelo if he didnt want to sign here... id take that over a 3rd /shrug

 

[DavidBL]

I think we're all reading far too much into this.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Colangelo is a guy that wouldn't have even gotten an ELC offer a year ago. He's improved his game this year but he's also 22. Is he really that much different than an Alex Limoges was? Fans see a high draft pick and size and tons of goalscoring potential and think he deserves an ELC. The Ducks (and probably most, if not all, other teams) see a big question mark and are hesitant to tie up a contract slot. I suspect this is a "show me" situation for Colangelo to prove he can make an impact at the next level. I hope he does well and I hope the Ducks offer him an ELC but I don't think it is a given.

Actually, in an article (I can't find that article now), Colangelo had thoughts of going pro last year, but decided to stay an extra year in college. D Ian Moore didn't have a great season this year, but Verbeek wanted to sign him. Moore is staying, as of right now, for his senior year with Harvard.

 

[nbducksfan19]

I think we're all reading far too much into this.

It is incredibly unorthodox, so not sure how you wouldn’t think something’s up.

 

[duxfan1101]

For what it’s worth, i noticed he liked almost every comment on his IG post thanking western Mich, except any to do with the Ducks/gulls.

The vibes I’m getting is not positive for his future with the organization. It could be the ducks decision or his, but seems something’s up.

I wonder if he’s leaving, and we are giving him a PTO to hopefully have him play well and increase an offer for his rights.

Well the “like” thing makes sense because the people who would comment about the Ducks are most likely Duck fans and not people he actually knows. Not to mention, all of those “likes” were from a couple of days ago when the picture was actually posted. He hasn’t “liked” any comment made after that day, which includes anyone who did post about the Ducks. I would personally toss that “evidence” out the window.

And if he had no intention of sticking with the organization, I highly doubt he would sign a PTO here. He would just ask for a trade and wait. Obviously we all hear about the bigger cases like Thrun because he returns a 3rd round pick. But there are plenty of other, smaller college UFA trades every year (like us acquiring Caulfield last year, or Edmonton trading Marino for a 6th). If anything, it seems like the aprehension on signing is coming from the Ducks and not him, which is also strange because Verbeek said the plan is to sign him.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

My best answer is that I really don't know what to make of it

 

[nbducksfan19]

Well the “like” thing makes sense because the people who would comment about the Ducks are most likely Duck fans and not people he actually knows. Not to mention, all of those “likes” were from a couple of days ago when the picture was actually posted. He hasn’t “liked” any comment made after that day, which includes anyone who did post about the Ducks. I would personally toss that “evidence” out the window.

And if he had no intention of sticking with the organization, I highly doubt he would sign a PTO here. He would just ask for a trade and wait. Obviously we all hear about the bigger cases like Thrun because he returns a 3rd round pick. But there are plenty of other, smaller college UFA trades every year (like us acquiring Caulfield last year, or Edmonton trading Marino for a 6th). If anything, it seems like the aprehension on signing is coming from the Ducks and not him, which is also strange because Verbeek said the plan is to sign him.

He did not like the only comment about the ducks posted 2days ago when he posted and you that is a complete coincidence? Or that every other post was from people he knew and not random western Michigan fans?

 

[DavidBL]

It is incredibly unorthodox, so not sure how you wouldn’t think something’s up.

I mean is it though? It's not exactly unheard of for college players to sign these types of deals out of school. It's really only the very good ones that burn years off their ELCs.

 

[duxfan1101]

It is incredibly unorthodox, so not sure how you wouldn’t think something’s up.

It’s even more unorthodox to sign a PTO after you finish your college and don’t intend to sign with that team. Can you recall a single example of this happening?

 

[duxfan1101]

Does anyone know the nuances in distinguishing an ATO from a PTO?

 

[Gliff]

Doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense. Unless someone car argue that nobody was willing to burn a year of ELC for him? I seriously doubt that.

One variable is if they are trying to keep contract slots open. That's a long shot.

Nobody can offer him an ELC and burn a year other then us.