Proposal: Ryan O'Reilly for Noah Hanifin

[AustonsNostrils]

Is this a fair deal? Buffalo needs to upgrade on defense, every team could use ROR and Carolina's not great down the middle.

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[The Moose is Loose]

No

 

[rent free]

carolina probably views o'reilly as a #2C instead of a #1C so they'd say no to this

 

[AustonsNostrils]

carolina probably views o'reilly as a #2C instead of a #1C so they'd say no to this

they're not getting a 1C better than ROR for Hanifin. Possible they could get a younger less expensive 2C than ROR I admit.

 

[McPhatty00]

they're not getting a 1C better than ROR for Hanifin. Possible they could get a younger less expensive 2C than ROR I admit.

Then they go ahead and keep Hanifin. There was a lot of Reinhart for Hanifin all summer. Unless Sam picks up his game, Buffalo has to add on that. I think the Canes shop elsewhere. Also, ROR costs $7.5 per.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Honestly ROR for Noah Hanifin isn't a bad deal, But realistically i doubt Ronny Francis would accept him.

 

[bluedevil58]

Canes fan here. How about we meet half way. Faulk for ROR? Hanifin for ROR is a tough one. The reason why is because of the potential Noah has. Not a bad trade. More of in the "I'm not sure." department.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Canes fan here. How about we meet half way. Faulk for ROR? Hanifin for ROR is a tough one. The reason why is because of the potential Noah has. Not a bad trade. More of in the "I'm not sure." department.

Faulk's value has tanked this year. Would be unwise to trade him now. Hanifin has taken some big steps this year. ROR is a good player but Canes don't move a 20 y/o future 1st pairing D (potentially a #1) for him.

 

[Savant]

Canes pass hard. Hard pass.

 

[GoldiFox]

Canes would be interested in ROR, but probably not at the price of Hanifin.

Rask + Faulk for ROR + Bogo

 

[DesertPenguin]

Carolina would be wise to turn some of their D depth over to strengthen themselves down the middle, but I don't think ROR is the player they should be targeting. ROR is a fine player, but with Jordan Staal already on the team playing that 200 ft game, I'd be looking for someone with a more offensively tilted game.

 

[rent free]

how bout for a guy like trochek?

 

[cgf]

Mittelstadt isn't there yet, but down the line a Mittelstadt - Hanifin based swap could make sense. Both very young, but potentially high quality #1s at their positions. Mittelstadt just needs another couple of seasons before he's showing that class in the NHL.

 

[Jame]

carolina probably views o'reilly as a #2C instead of a #1C so they'd say no to this

Why?

He'll be turning 27 in Feb.... he's signed for 5 more seasons at market value. He's well regarded for his defensive game... so here's where he stacks up against his peers offensively:

Over the last 5 seasons, most points:
1 Crosby
2 Backstrom
3 Seguin
4 Tavares
5 Giroux
6 Pavelski
7 Malkin
8 Getzlaf
9 Kopitar
10 Thornton
11 Toews 367 games /281 pts / 0.79 pts per game
12 Johansen 367 games / 281 pts / 0.77 pts per game
13 Bergeron 359 games / 276 pts / 0.77 pts per game
14 Schiefele 333 games / 264 pts / 0.79 pts per game
15 O'reilly 349 games / 264 pts / 0.76 pts per game

 

[DJN21]

Canes fan here. How about we meet half way. Faulk for ROR? Hanifin for ROR is a tough one. The reason why is because of the potential Noah has. Not a bad trade. More of in the "I'm not sure." department.

How is downgrading to fault "meeting in the middle" lol? You admit it's a tough decision I.e a fair trade, then suggest we downgrade. That's not meeting in the middle lol

 

[Gabrielor]

OReilly isn’t untradable, but I’d be pretty hesitant about trading him for Hanifin, for the same reasons I was hesitant to trade Reinhart for him back before Reinhart caught the Black Plague and was shunned by all.

 

[GoldiFox]

Why?

He'll be turning 27 in Feb.... he's signed for 5 more seasons at market value. He's well regarded for his defensive game... so here's where he stacks up against his peers offensively:

Over the last 5 seasons, most points:
1 Crosby
2 Backstrom
3 Seguin
4 Tavares
5 Giroux
6 Pavelski
7 Malkin
8 Getzlaf
9 Kopitar
10 Thornton
11 Toews 367 games /281 pts / 0.79 pts per game
12 Johansen 367 games / 281 pts / 0.77 pts per game
13 Bergeron 359 games / 276 pts / 0.77 pts per game
14 Schiefele 333 games / 264 pts / 0.79 pts per game
15 O'reilly 349 games / 264 pts / 0.76 pts per game

Total points over the last 5 years is a terrible way to determine who is a #1C. It immediately eliminates anyone who 1) was drafted or emerged less than 5 years ago or 2) had any significant injury due to pure game volume. McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Barkov, Kuznetsov, etc. etc.

 

[King In The North]

Wow I thought Canes would be for this but sounds like no. ROR is a 1B Center for sure.

 

[Jame]

Total points over the last 5 years is a terrible way to determine who is a #1C. It immediately eliminates anyone who 1) was drafted or emerged less than 5 years ago or 2) had any significant injury due to pure game volume. McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Barkov, Kuznetsov, etc. etc.

It's comparing him to his peer group.

No matter what way you slice it. ROR is a #1 center.

Over the last 3 years, anyone who has played at least 100 games.... ROR is 22nd among Centers in Pts per game (and that is all while he's been on a bad team, doing ridiculous heavy lifting defensively). He has scored more and averages more than Jonathan Toews over that period, while playing an identical role, on a shitty team... he's 3 years younger, and makers 3 million less.

Go ahead and tell me Jonathan Toews isn't a #1 center....

There is no objective world where ROR isn't a #1 center.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

I'd have to imagine the Canes pass on this quite easily, and that's not an insult against ROR.

 

[King In The North]

I'd have to imagine the Canes pass on this quite easily, and that's not an insult against ROR.

Has Hanifin stepped it up that much this year?

 

[BKarchitect]

Canes fans aren't turning it down because of anything ROR is or isn't. They are turning it down because on a stacked blueline that includes Slavin, Pesce and Faulk, there's a decent chance sometime in the near future that Hanifin will be the best of the bunch. And that speaks volumes. Although he's still got consistency issues IMO. If ROR were the same age as Hanifin it might be a different story - as it is, I think they should just shop Faulk around and not mess with the Slavin-Pesce-Hanifin foundation. And no, I don't think Faulk in his current form gets them ROR unless some very generous and valuable assets are added.

 

[Jame]

Canes fan here. How about we meet half way. Faulk for ROR? Hanifin for ROR is a tough one. The reason why is because of the potential Noah has. Not a bad trade. More of in the "I'm not sure." department.

Probably the same reason Buffalo passes

 

[cgf]

Wow I thought Canes would be for this but sounds like no. ROR is a 1B Center for sure.

He is, but the Canes need more of an offensive dynamo 1C that lets Skinner, Aho & Necas slot into more supporting attacking roles. Thus why I think Mittelstadt could be a great target for them in another year or two if they can't woo Tavares in FA

 

[Skobel24]

Total points over the last 5 years is a terrible way to determine who is a #1C. It immediately eliminates anyone who 1) was drafted or emerged less than 5 years ago or 2) had any significant injury due to pure game volume. McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, Stamkos, MacKinnon, Barkov, Kuznetsov, etc. etc.

Also, it bumps guys like Jason Spezza much higher.