Ryan Johansen vs Nino Niederreiter

[ktrio730]

Both play on the same team, and are dynamic forces. Which projects at this point to be the better future player of the two? Who has the better track record/development so far? Interested to hear some debate on this.

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[Columbus Jack]

For me it's Johan all day. He makes Nino go...Johansen makes other players around him better...take a look at the WJC. Not close imo.

 

[malkovsby]

different players drafted for different roles. i like johansen but am quite interested as to what nino will look like about 5 years into his NHL career...young bert 2.0, with harder shot.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Depends on your needs. Isles needed a tough wing and the Jackets needed a skilled center. Both are going to be great.

I don't think Johansen steers the ship either. I think they get each other going and just have perfect chemistry.

 

[Handlanger]

Both play on the same team, and are dynamic forces. Which projects at this point to be the better future player of the two? Who has the better track record/development so far? Interested to hear some debate on this.

Both have superstar potential if they pan out.

Johanson can be a beast if his development continues - guess him alongside Nash?!? Killer - as Nash is similar to Niederreiter - which brings me to him.

If he as a good center, he will be a future 40-goal scorer. Guy knows how to find the net, and has an unstoppable desire to shine and win. He'll go his way.

I love both of them and I'll follow their future path...

 

[TheNextOneX]

For me it's Johan all day. He makes Nino go...Johansen makes other players around him better...take a look at the WJC. Not close imo.

Gotta go with El Nino....2 years ago, it was Niederreiter who was the star at the WJC.

Nino is indeed a better goal scorer that could have made his team, but those bums wanted him to be a top 6...

As for assist numbers, those attraits can be easily thought, and Nino will improve in those area as well.

 

[Handlanger]

Gotta go with El Nino....2 years ago, it was Niederreiter who was the star at the WJC.

Nino is indeed a better goal scorer that could have made his team, but those bums wanted him to be a top 6...

As for assist numbers, those attraits can be easily thought, and Nino will improve in those area as well.

"Those bums wanted him to be a top 6" :

So you would have prefered him to stay on LI as a 4th liner?!?

 

[TheNextOneX]

"Those bums wanted him to be a top 6" :

So you would have prefered him to stay on LI as a 4th liner?!?

First of all, Nino started to played in the third line. And yes, there is a good chance that he would had pan out and probably move on to the second or first line as the season went on.

Keep in mind, that Nino was physically more mature than everybody else on last year draft.

 

[Handlanger]

First of all, Nino started to played in the third line. And yes, there is a good chance that he would had pan out and probably move on to the second or first line as the season went on.

Keep in mind, that Nino was physically more mature than everybody else on last year draft.

And rightfully so.... you don't want to burn a young scorer by becoming a defensive specialist...
On third line like Grabner-Nielsen-Okposo - fine. But with Weight and let's say Jon Sim - hell no - I preferred him in juniors then...

 

[TheNextOneX]

And rightfully so.... you don't want to burn a young scorer by becoming a defensive specialist...
On third line like Grabner-Nielsen-Okposo - fine. But with Weight and let's say Jon Sim - hell no - I preferred him in juniors then...

Kid was no worse than other rookies, and would had probably pan out even earlier...

Sorry, but i wanted him to learn the rope in the NHL, playing against men, and NOT lighting up the WHL against inferior opponents.

 

[Handlanger]

Kid was no worse than other rookies, and would had probably pan out even earlier...

Sorry, but i wanted him to learn the rope in the NHL, playing against men, and NOT lighting up the WHL against inferior opponents.

Like who? Was he better than let's say Jeff Skinner?!? Nope.... he would have done well, but maybe also not so well, look at Seguin, Burmistov, or a few years back Bailey. It can also hurt your development if you get thrown into the NHL way too early.

If he makes it to the NHL at 19, he would still be very very young.

 

[TheNextOneX]

Like who? Was he better than let's say Jeff Skinner?!? Nope.... he would have done well, but maybe also not so well, look at Seguin, Burmistov, or a few years back Bailey. It can also hurt your development if you get thrown into the NHL way too early.

If he makes it to the NHL at 19, he would still be very very young.

Only 2 guys were "slightly" better, Eberle and Skinner, but was ahead of guy like Hall, Seguin, Burmistrov.

Nino is taller and physically more mature than Bailey. He would had probably pan out earlier.

Also those 2 had the luxury to played in the second and first line i think. Something that Nino hadn't unfortunately.

 

[Handlanger]

Only 2 guys were "slightly" better, Eberle and Skinner, but was ahead of guy like Hall, Seguin, Burmistrov.

Nino is taller and physically more mature than Bailey. He would had probably pan out earlier.

Also those 2 had the luxury to played in the second and first line i think. Something that Nino hadn't unfortunately.

First of all: Eberle was not in the same draft class as Nino

Secondly: Hall's numbers are: GP 65 G 22 A 20 That is pretty impressive for an 18-year old rookie. Maybe Nino would have gotten the same, but let him prove it first... There is a reason that Hall went 1st overall and Nino 5th.

Lastly: Probably, likely, maybe.... Yeah, he was more mature than Bailey back at this time, but keep in mind - it's not only the physicality, what makes rookies get overwhelmed is the schedule, the travelling, the pressure, the speed, the physicality. All of these things.

 

[TheNextOneX]

First of all: Eberle was not in the same draft class as Nino

Secondly: Hall's numbers are: GP 65 G 22 A 20 That is pretty impressive for an 18-year old rookie. Maybe Nino would have gotten the same, but let him prove it first... There is a reason that Hall went 1st overall and Nino 5th.

Lastly: Probably, likely, maybe.... Yeah, he was more mature than Bailey back at this time, but keep in mind - it's not only the physicality, what makes rookies get overwhelmed is the schedule, the travelling, the pressure, the speed, the physicality. All of these things.

I stick to the idea that he should have make the team right away.

 

[Qvist]

I stick to the idea that he should have make the team right away.

Why, what's the rush? Nobody's development is hurt by taking it gradually to the NHL, but lots of players' development is hurt by being pushed there too early.

As for assist numbers, those attraits can be easily thought, and Nino will improve in those area as well.

What, creative playmaking can be "easily taught"?

 

[msv957]

Gotta go with El Nino....2 years ago, it was Niederreiter who was the star at the WJC.

Nino is indeed a better goal scorer that could have made his team, but those bums wanted him to be a top 6...

As for assist numbers, those attraits can be easily thought, and Nino will improve in those area as well.

I think you are over rating Nino a whole bunch here. Where was Nino this past WJC? He seemed to be ordinary at best.

Nino did not even dominate the WHL this year. He did not even get 50 goals and was not close to leading the WHL in points. This is not a dominating season in juniors.

However, I must say there is potential in the NHL for a 6'2 230 lb power forward with good hands. Nino just needs to keep developing his game and put on some muscle/weight to get to 230 lbs. He does seem to have real good character and leadership qualities. His skating and quickness needs to still develop.

 

[Seph]

I think you are over rating Nino a whole bunch here. Where was Nino this past WJC? He seemed to be ordinary at best.

Nino did not even dominate the WHL this year. He did not even get 50 goals and was not close to leading the WHL in points. This is not a dominating season in juniors.

Only two players in the entire WHL had 50 goals this season, and both of them played over 15 games more than Nino did to reach that number. Prorated to the same number of games, Nino would've had more than one of them and the same number as the other.

At the age of 18, scoring at a pace that would lead your league in goals while playing a strong physical game and very good defense, is about as close to dominant as it gets. While he may be getting overrated somewhat NextOne, your knocks against his WHL play are pretty weak.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Nino looked okay in the NHL, but he clearly needed another year in the WHL/WJC.

TheNextOneX just has a hard on for Nino because he's Swiss. If he could have it his way every player would change their nationality to Swiss and the league would be renamed the SHL.

 

[Handlanger]

Only two players in the entire WHL had 50 goals this season, and both of them played over 15 games more than Nino did to reach that number. Prorated to the same number of games, Nino would've had more than one of them and the same number as the other.

At the age of 18, scoring at a pace that would lead your league in goals while playing a strong physical game and very good defense, is about as close to dominant as it gets. While he may be getting overrated somewhat NextOne, your knocks against his WHL play are pretty weak.

Thanks Seph. That sums it all up pretty well. I couldn't agree more.

 

[Handlanger]

Nino looked okay in the NHL, but he clearly needed another year in the WHL/WJC.

TheNextOneX just has a hard on for Nino because he's Swiss. If he could have it his way every player would change their nationality to Swiss and the league would be renamed the SHL.

Hell yeah... I'm swiss too. But I'm not blind and I don't live in a fairytale. Always trying to look at the players from a realistic POV. Of course, I'm a little little biased towards swiss players as well, simply cause I wish them well, but that doesn't mean they will all become NHL superstars.

 

[mm11]

I think you are over rating Nino a whole bunch here. Where was Nino this past WJC? He seemed to be ordinary at best.

Nino did not even dominate the WHL this year. He did not even get 50 goals and was not close to leading the WHL in points. This is not a dominating season in juniors.

However, I must say there is potential in the NHL for a 6'2 230 lb power forward with good hands. Nino just needs to keep developing his game and put on some muscle/weight to get to 230 lbs. He does seem to have real good character and leadership qualities. His skating and quickness needs to still develop.

I have to disagree here, you obviously have not followed the scorers in the Dub this year ranger boy lol

 

[Handlanger]

Linden Vey:

GP: 71 G 53 Goals per Game: 0.75

Ryan Howse:

GP: 70 G 51 Goals per Game: 0.73

Nino Niederreiter

GP: 55 G 41 Goals per Game: 0.75

So Basically, Nino was the best Goals per Game scorer in the league, together with Linden Vey, who is more than a year older and in his 4th junior season, where it's Nino's 2nd...

 

[petrocelli]

As far as that whole Nino should have played in the NHL this year chat, the kid was only a week away because of his late 1992 birthday from being elligable for THIS coming years draft.....So what the heck is the rush.... Any sensible person knows Nino played exactly where it was best for him to play this past 2010/2011 season.... For Portland at the junior level.

I think you are over rating Nino a whole bunch here. Where was Nino this past WJC? He seemed to be ordinary at best.

Nino did not even dominate the WHL this year. He did not even get 50 goals and was not close to leading the WHL in points. This is not a dominating season in juniors.

However, I must say there is potential in the NHL for a 6'2 230 lb power forward with good hands. Nino just needs to keep developing his game and put on some muscle/weight to get to 230 lbs. He does seem to have real good character and leadership qualities. His skating and quickness needs to still develop.

So now Nino MUST get to 230 lbs or he won't be an effective NHL player?? What's your obsession with 230 pounds?? Is he playing offensive line for the Dallas Cowboys or winger in the NHL?? I think 210, 215, 220 are pretty legitimate weights for a winger that plays a physical game.... If he gets to 230, that would be fine as well...

 

[msv957]

As far as that whole Nino should have played in the NHL this year chat, the kid was only a week away because of his late 1992 birthday from being elligable for THIS coming years draft.....So what the heck is the rush.... Any sensible person knows Nino played exactly where it was best for him to play this past 2010/2011 season.... For Portland at the junior level.




So now Nino MUST get to 230 lbs or he won't be an effective NHL player?? What's your obsession with 230 pounds?? Is he playing offensive line for the Dallas Cowboys or winger in the NHL?? I think 210, 215, 220 are pretty legitimate weights for a winger that plays a physical game.... If he gets to 230, that would be fine as well...

Haha... no real obsession with the 230 lb weight for Nino. I just picture Nino potentially playing a similar game to Bertuzzi and Bertuzzi was around 230 lbs. Nino is around 205 lbs now at 18 years old so it is not inconceivable he can be playing at 230 lbs when he is in his prime.

However, you are right... 210, 215, 220 are legit weights for a winger anyway.

 

[Jabba11]

I'd take Ryan Johansen. He could become an smart 2-way center.