Speculation: Rumours and trade proposals
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Viqsi
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BigFatCat999
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I'm really hoping we are not done with off-season moves. I do like the moves we have made but we haven't got any better at center and we still need a replacement for Neal. We need to make 2 more moves for a 2nd line center and winger. We do that we become favorites to win the cup
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AdmiralsFan24
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I would take that deal if he was a right winger. We are weak at center and right wing, especially right wing.
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I would do that. I wish poile would do that. throw in a 1st and smith and I would take bozak and jvr
call you gm and tell him to make it happen lol. fabbro smith and 2018 1st and 2019 2nd for bozak and jvr with y all retaining some would be awesome
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Anyone have a guess as to where we go from here? We've grabbed some great pieces, but the team still feels pretty incomplete and even if we sign some nasty contracts with returning players in the upcoming weeks we'll still be well below cap. Obviously the focus now is on re-signings and wrapping up Arvytration hearings, but do you think that we'll keep trying to sort out our 2C/RW situation this summer, just let this lineup ride until later in the season, or that Poile will be satisfied with this lineup for the foreseeable future?
BigFatCat999
First Fubu and now Pred303. !@#$! you cancer
Sign the RFAs. then evaluate the roster and trades. I see a hole at RW but the Preds should have forwards to fill the roster.
worstfaceoffmanever
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Just a hunch, but I think he might be one of the rare Predators to make it to a hearing. Tough to see the sides not being far apart; Arvidsson led the team in scoring, but the org will be worried about him becoming a flash in the pan.
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I don't think it will, assuming Poile is willing to offer a 2 year deal at decent money and assuming Arvys agent isn't insisting on a long term deal.
If term is the issue and Poile wants short and Arvy wants long, going to arbitration playing into Poiles hand.
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I don't think this will be a hard feeling situation even if it goes to arbitration. Poile isn't going to be too upset at any reasonable one year deal because we have plenty of cap space and it would leave arvy as an rfa.
That said I'll be shocked if it goes to a hearing
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Baseball players go to arbitration all the time. It sucks to hear your team kind of talk **** about your ability but these guys get over it pretty quickly.
The Brewers had a player go to an arbitration hearing in 2010 and 6 months later he was signed to a 3 year deal that bought out 2 years of free agency.
I don't think arbitration is a big deal. Sports are a business and this is the business side. I don't blame the team at all for being afraid that Arvidsson's real value doesn't equate to what he produced last year. The only player in the league with more of a point total increase from 2 years ago to last year than him was freakin Connor McDavid. On Arvy's side, they could sit there and use that to their advantage. On the Preds side they could (paraphrasing here) come back with "Dude. Your production will level off at some point. Prove us otherwise."
I think it is what it is. Didn't Wilson and Smith both have hearings a few years ago?
I think it is what it is. Didn't Wilson and Smith both have hearings a few years ago?
Poile would likely get murdered in arbitration. Even if a player has had only one good season, an arbitrated contract is for only a year or two, so the arbiter is inclined to award the player his value for that one season, sort of like a "make up" for being underpaid that season. In other words, an arbiter is liable to award Arvidsson over $5M because that's what 60-point players are worth, especially ones that lead their teams in scoring. The arbiter is not going to really factor in whether it was a fluke season and whether he can sustain that production for the next 5 years, since it's not really his job to be a judge of talent. I'm not sure if an arbiter even needs to know anything about hockey.
If Poile has to give Arvidsson over $5M for a couple of years, good luck convincing him to take a pay cut afterwards, even if he regresses. Even if he regresses badly and Poile convinces him to take $3M for 3 years after that, that still works out to $19M over 5 years, so you might as well simply sign him for $4M for 5 years and bank on this last season not being an anomaly.
As far apart as they may initially seem, they may not really be so far apart. Yeah, Poile would probably like to sign him for $2.5M and Arvidsson's agent is likely asking for $5M, but both sides would probably like a long-term deal and that necessarily means meeting in the middle. I see Arvidsson, in the end, being more like Jarnkrok and being more than happy to take decent money or even a discount just to stay with the team long term. He's not going to twist Poile's arm or be bitter about the negotiations. That just doesn't seem to be in his nature.
If Poile has to give Arvidsson over $5M for a couple of years, good luck convincing him to take a pay cut afterwards, even if he regresses. Even if he regresses badly and Poile convinces him to take $3M for 3 years after that, that still works out to $19M over 5 years, so you might as well simply sign him for $4M for 5 years and bank on this last season not being an anomaly.
As far apart as they may initially seem, they may not really be so far apart. Yeah, Poile would probably like to sign him for $2.5M and Arvidsson's agent is likely asking for $5M, but both sides would probably like a long-term deal and that necessarily means meeting in the middle. I see Arvidsson, in the end, being more like Jarnkrok and being more than happy to take decent money or even a discount just to stay with the team long term. He's not going to twist Poile's arm or be bitter about the negotiations. That just doesn't seem to be in his nature.
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there really isn't any way to get "murdered" in arbitration because the most youre on the hook for is one year no matter how bad the number seems to be
Even if an arbiter awarded Arvy 6 mil for next year that wouldn't kill us. And if he only scores 15 goals next year nobody will give him 5 or 6 million in his next contract, he'll have to settle for a lot less if he wants any term, and if he scores 30 again he will be worth a 6 million dollar long term deal
I thought Wilson and Smith did. Other than that, I don't know. I just seem to remember those two.
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