Speculation: Rumors and Proposals Thread II | Gryba on a PTO & Contract Discussions with Russell

[Jumptheshark]

Count down to camp.

Mike Richards is still out there

Some want to trade Sekera

Will we trade yak before the season

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[PinSeeker]

Some want to trade Sekera??

 

[Draiskull]

Some want to trade Sekera??

For Trouba or someone as good.

 

[Young Lions*]

Some seem to forget Sekera has an NTC.

 

[Canovin]

Some don't read that those proposals include conditions like IF Sekera waives his NMC. Not likely but still a possibility.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Count down to camp.

Mike Richards is still out there he can stay there

Some want to trade Sekera crazy talk

Will we trade yak before the season my guess is yes

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[PatrikOverAuston]

For Trouba or someone as good.

Some don't read that those proposals include conditions like IF Sekera waives his NMC. Not likely but still a possibility.

Too bad it's still a terrible idea.

Do people not understand that leaves us with Klefbom as the only player with over 100 NHL GP on the left side? And, oh, he's had his share of health struggles- do people really want to ice Davidson, Reinhart and Nurse on a regular basis should he be out for significant time again? Because that's how you lose hockey games.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

Some would say there was three times as many posts about not trading sekera as there ever was saying to trade him and the topic really isn't going anywhere so it should have stayed on the last page.

 

[Draiskull]

Too bad it's still a terrible idea.

Do people not understand that leaves us with Klefbom as the only player with over 100 NHL GP on the left side? And, oh, he's had his share of health struggles- do people really want to ice Davidson, Reinhart and Nurse on a regular basis should he be out for significant time again? Because that's how you lose hockey games.

How does swapping Sekera for Trouba or another legit top 4 D change any of that?
Its not going to happen because of NMC but its not a terrible idea.

Games played is overrated if we are talking about guys who have shown they belong already. Draisaitl and McDavid had no issues playing ahead of RNH. We are not talking about noobs like Puljujarvi or Nurse .. Trouba has established himself already.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

How does swapping Sekera for Trouba or another legit top 4 D change any of that?

Because Trouba does not play the left side? Why is that hard to figure out?

Its not going to happen because of NMC but its not a terrible idea.

No, still a terrible idea.

Games played is overrated if we are talking about guys who have shown they belong already. Draisaitl and McDavid had no issues playing ahead of RNH. We are not talking about noobs like Puljujarvi or Nurse .. Trouba has established himself already.

Darnell Nurse and Griffin Reinhart are the definition of players who have not shown they belong in the NHL yet. Davidson is the only one of the three left side- and again I say LEFT SIDE- options after Klefbom who even remotely passes the eye test, and there's a legitimate question about whether he can repeat his performance too.

Even trying to compare those three to McDavid is wacko.

 

[Draiskull]

Because Trouba does not play the left side? Why is that hard to figure out?



No, still a terrible idea.



Darnell Nurse and Griffin Reinhart are the definition of players who have not shown they belong in the NHL yet. Davidson is the only one of the three left side- and again I say LEFT SIDE- options after Klefbom who even remotely passes the eye test, and there's a legitimate question about whether he can repeat his performance too.

Even trying to compare those three to McDavid is wacko.

Whats harder to get LDs or RDs? LDs is the deepest postion we have on the team.
Without Sekera we would still have quality players in our top 4.
Nurse as top pairing LD didnt pass your eye test last season but a year older and playing on the 3rd pairing there is nothing to suggest he cant handle those duties.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Whats harder to get LDs or RDs? LDs is the deepest postion we have on the team.

Right, so you decide to gut it to help the right side. Still not smart.

Without Sekera we would still have quality players in our top 4.

Let me say again, since you seem to not understand: left side without Sekera is Klefbom, Davidson and one of Reinhart or Nurse by default- both if either Davidson or Klefbom miss any significant time. Not a good idea.

Nurse as top pairing LD didnt pass your eye test last season but a year older and playing on the 3rd pairing there is nothing to suggest he cant handle those duties.

Let him prove it before he gets the spot. Chiarelli himself said he's not doing his job if either he or Reinhart have to start in the NHL, or do you know better than the GM?

 

[McOvechking]

If we could land Trouba without trading away Klefbom, Sekera, or Nurse then we absolutely should do it.

Davidson + 2017 1st + ??? could work right?

Klefbom - Larsson
Sekera - Trouba
Nurse - Fayne

That looks like a really good top-6 to me. As much as I love Davidson, Nurse is going to be pushing him out of the top-6, and we could lose him to expansion anyways. Nurse is exempt, and therefore more valuable right now.

 

[Draiskull]

If we could land Trouba without trading away Klefbom, Sekera, or Nurse then we absolutely should do it.

Davidson + 2017 1st + ??? could work right?

Klefbom - Larsson
Sekera - Trouba
Nurse - Fayne

That looks like a really good top-6 to me. As much as I love Davidson, Nurse is going to be pushing him out of the top-6, and we could lose him to expansion anyways. Nurse is exempt, and therefore more valuable right now.

I would rather have Davidson than Sekera considering age, contracts and the fact we would have Klefbom, Larsson and Trouba in top 3 already..
I know games played and blah blah but that is where I differ from you and EdmontonExpress.

 

[SK13]

Let me say again, since you seem to not understand: left side without Sekera is Klefbom, Davidson and one of Reinhart or Nurse by default- both if either Davidson or Klefbom miss any significant time. Not a good idea.

It's not even close to a good idea, even if they both play 82. Klefbom and Davidson combine for fewer than 100 good NHL games. Klefbom may be a #3 or better, but we need to see a larger sample. Davidson may be a legitimate 4/5 NHL option, but we need to see a larger sample.

We simply can not afford to lose the one known quantity on the Oilers defense.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I would rather have Davidson than Sekera considering age, contracts and the fact we would have Klefbom, Larsson and Trouba in top 3 already..
I know games played and blah blah but that is where I differ from you and EdmontonExpress.

That blah blah blah is specifically why the Oilers have been terrible for years

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

That blah blah blah is specifically why the Oilers have been terrible for years

"blah blah blah actual NHL experience blah blah blah icing a team that is not comprised of toddlers blah blah blah".

If only the real league were as easy to compete in as in the video games lead one to believe.

 

[Spawn]

The closer we get to camp the more frustrated I am Chia hasn't been able to add a rhd to qb the pp and play on the 2nd pairing. When he acquired Larsson he said he was still looking to add that. June 29 bob stauffer said it would be ""naive " to think Chia was done with the backend. But here we are less than two weeks from camp with absolutely nothing else done.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

The closer we get to camp the more frustrated I am Chia hasn't been able to add a rhd to qb the pp and play on the 2nd pairing. When he acquired Larsson he said he was still looking to add that. June 29 bob stauffer said it would be ""naive " to think Chia was done with the backend. But here we are less than two weeks from camp with absolutely nothing else done.

The last that we heard on the subject was that something could happen shortly after the season started. That said I agree that it is a major hole on our team right now.

 

[Oilfan2]

Because Trouba does not play the left side? Why is that hard to figure out?



No, still a terrible idea.



Darnell Nurse and Griffin Reinhart are the definition of players who have not shown they belong in the NHL yet. Davidson is the only one of the three left side- and again I say LEFT SIDE- options after Klefbom who even remotely passes the eye test, and there's a legitimate question about whether he can repeat his performance too.

Even trying to compare those three to McDavid is wacko.

Only a few fans say sides make much of a difference.

In the real NHL world, they only worry about total skill level..not whether they're right or left handed.

 

[Wewillrise]

The closer we get to camp the more frustrated I am Chia hasn't been able to add a rhd to qb the pp and play on the 2nd pairing. When he acquired Larsson he said he was still looking to add that. June 29 bob stauffer said it would be ""naive " to think Chia was done with the backend. But here we are less than two weeks from camp with absolutely nothing else done.

Easy to be frustrated but imagine the asking price. With the expansion coming patience is a virtue.

 

[Mr Positive]

The closer we get to camp the more frustrated I am Chia hasn't been able to add a rhd to qb the pp and play on the 2nd pairing. When he acquired Larsson he said he was still looking to add that. June 29 bob stauffer said it would be ""naive " to think Chia was done with the backend. But here we are less than two weeks from camp with absolutely nothing else done.

I would say the summer is a poor time to make a move. Teams want to see what they have in camp. Moves happen at key times like the draft and trade deadline. The days before the regular season starts is a similar time, where teams that are over the cap have to get under, and time starts running out on standoffs, like when the Isles got Boychuck and Leddy. That's also the time when we see the waiver wire blow up, and there might be some gems there. Certainly better than a questionable Wisniewski and an aging Zdlicky. We don't have infinite contract space so we can't just give contracts to everyone. It would potentially block a truly impactful move from happening.

I like our chances of getting the hole filled. First off, we'll see in camp if the need is even there. Maybe the D will look good enough. Second, 2nd pairing PP specialist is not exactly a hard thing to find. It's not like missing a starting goalie or top pairing D.

 

[Wadewilson]

If it was THAT critical to chia, he could have Wideman or sign Wiz.

Obviously it's a wait and see what shakes loose. There's some pretty good rfa's still not signed.

 

[CaptainSexyPants]

The closer we get to camp the more frustrated I am Chia hasn't been able to add a rhd to qb the pp and play on the 2nd pairing. When he acquired Larsson he said he was still looking to add that. June 29 bob stauffer said it would be ""naive " to think Chia was done with the backend. But here we are less than two weeks from camp with absolutely nothing else done.

You're frustrated that the top pair RHD he got wasn't enough..?

I wouldn't expect much more right away, personally. It'd be foolish to think he's 100% happy with the D and isn't looking at options, but he's already paid a lot for a big fish and the roster has gone through some big changes. I don't see him ponying up again before getting a decent look at what this roster can do with Larsson and Lucic along with a healthy Klefbom and McDavid.

A 6-7 guy maybe, but if he gets a 2nd pairing RHD before the start of the season I'll be pretty surprised.

 

[belair]

You're frustrated that the top pair RHD he got wasn't enough..?

I wouldn't expect much more right away, personally. It'd be foolish to think he's 100% happy with the D and isn't looking at options, but he's already paid a lot for a big fish and the roster has gone through some big changes. I don't see him ponying up again before getting a decent look at what this roster can do with Larsson and Lucic along with a healthy Klefbom and McDavid.

A 6-7 guy maybe, but if he gets a 2nd pairing RHD before the start of the season I'll be pretty surprised.

No kidding.

How many teams can add two top four defensemen in an off-season without completely handcuffing their franchise in terms of salary or organizational depth? The Larsson move was a necessary move but it shook the roster from its foundation. We don't have the assets to acquire the calibre of defenseman some are expecting us to acquire.

Let's see how things unfold first and see the kind of players that become available as the expansion draft gets closer.