Roster Speculation 15-16, Part IX

[CupWanted]

I posted this on the main board and it has been well received so far. Thoughts?

To BUF:
Jack Johnson LD (4.357m)
Cam Atkinson RW (3.5m)
Rene Bourque (one year cap dump for 2.5m if he will waive for Buffalo)

To CBJ:
Zach Bogosian RD (5.143m)
Marcus Foligno LW (1.875m)

Why CBJ does it: they're overloaded on the left side of D and need reinforcement on the right. Also freeing up their top pair spot on the left side allows them to feed Murray minutes and speed up his development. Foligno is a downgrade on Atkinson but there's a ton of unmet potential in Foligno. He's just not generating any consistency here. Maybe playing with his brother and in Torts' system would be the key. He's a real Torts kind of guy when he's on his game.

Why Buffalo does it: This next sentence is probably going to be very unpopular with my fellow Sabres fans. Mark Pysyk will be a better second pairing defenseman on the right side than Bogo. Bogo obviously has a much higher ceiling but I think Pysyk's floor is higher. He'll also be more cost effective and cap is quickly going to become an issue for us. Jack Johnson fills our gaping need on the left side, provides solid play in his own end, some physicality you lose with Bogo, and lots of veteran leadership. He's older than Bogo but he should still have 5 very productive years left in him. I think Atkinson would be perfect for Kane and RoR. I haven't seen him much but he plays a very fast, hard, north-south game that would fit those two like a glove. That allows Reinhart to slide down and play with Eichel.


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[struckbyaparkedcar]

Jack Johnson is terrible. Pass.

 

[Chainshot]

I posted this on the main board and it has been well received so far. Thoughts?

To BUF:
Jack Johnson LD (4.357m)
Cam Atkinson RW (3.5m)
Rene Bourque (one year cap dump for 2.5m if he will waive for Buffalo)

To CBJ:
Zach Bogosian RD (5.143m)
Marcus Foligno LW (1.875m)

Why CBJ does it: they're overloaded on the left side of D and need reinforcement on the right. Also freeing up their top pair spot on the left side allows them to feed Murray minutes and speed up his development. Foligno is a downgrade on Atkinson but there's a ton of unmet potential in Foligno. He's just not generating any consistency here. Maybe playing with his brother and in Torts' system would be the key. He's a real Torts kind of guy when he's on his game.

Why Buffalo does it: This next sentence is probably going to be very unpopular with my fellow Sabres fans. Mark Pysyk will be a better second pairing defenseman on the right side than Bogo. Bogo obviously has a much higher ceiling but I think Pysyk's floor is higher. He'll also be more cost effective and cap is quickly going to become an issue for us. Jack Johnson fills our gaping need on the left side, provides solid play in his own end, some physicality you lose with Bogo, and lots of veteran leadership. He's older than Bogo but he should still have 5 very productive years left in him. I think Atkinson would be perfect for Kane and RoR. I haven't seen him much but he plays a very fast, hard, north-south game that would fit those two like a glove. That allows Reinhart to slide down and play with Eichel.

Interesting idea. I am a bit leary of Atkinson's size and Johnson's relative lack of hockey sense (and financial sense), but the idea of the principles involved I have no issue with.

 

[Zman5778]

I posted this on the main board and it has been well received so far. Thoughts?

To BUF:
Jack Johnson LD (4.357m)
Cam Atkinson RW (3.5m)
Rene Bourque (one year cap dump for 2.5m if he will waive for Buffalo)

To CBJ:
Zach Bogosian RD (5.143m)
Marcus Foligno LW (1.875m)

Why CBJ does it: they're overloaded on the left side of D and need reinforcement on the right. Also freeing up their top pair spot on the left side allows them to feed Murray minutes and speed up his development. Foligno is a downgrade on Atkinson but there's a ton of unmet potential in Foligno. He's just not generating any consistency here. Maybe playing with his brother and in Torts' system would be the key. He's a real Torts kind of guy when he's on his game.

Why Buffalo does it: This next sentence is probably going to be very unpopular with my fellow Sabres fans. Mark Pysyk will be a better second pairing defenseman on the right side than Bogo. Bogo obviously has a much higher ceiling but I think Pysyk's floor is higher. He'll also be more cost effective and cap is quickly going to become an issue for us. Jack Johnson fills our gaping need on the left side, provides solid play in his own end, some physicality you lose with Bogo, and lots of veteran leadership. He's older than Bogo but he should still have 5 very productive years left in him. I think Atkinson would be perfect for Kane and RoR. I haven't seen him much but he plays a very fast, hard, north-south game that would fit those two like a glove. That allows Reinhart to slide down and play with Eichel.

I like the idea. Not a fan of JJ so much though, especially given that we'd be giving up Bogo to get him (adding another puck moving type, trading away a tougher D)

Find an available LHD version of Bogo though, and it works.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Moved the player grades/assessment stuff into its own thread. Figured it was a big enough topic to warrant a separate space for discussion.

 

[CupWanted]

Whether you like that trade or not the premise is this: trade Bogo or Pysyk for a LHD. Either of them is wasted on the third pair and Franson is serviceable in that role anyway. Playing defensemen on their off hand doesn't work like it does for wingers.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Interesting idea. I am a bit leary of Atkinson's size and Johnson's relative lack of hockey sense (and financial sense), but the idea of the principles involved I have no issue with.

No need to worry; hes far from Jeff Skinner.

 

[CupWanted]

Whether you like that trade or not the premise is this: trade Bogo or Pysyk for a LHD. Either of them is wasted on the third pair and Franson is serviceable in that role anyway. Playing defensemen on their off hand doesn't work like it does for wingers.

I'm surprised no one wants to jump on this...

 

[Royal Thunder]

I get the premise of wanting to trade for a LD, but Johnson isn't the guy. He's not very good and is 29 in a couple weeks.

 

[Sabreality]

so how do we get Brodin to pair with Risto for the next decade?

 

[Ace]

How do we get Fowler to pair with Risto for the next decade?

I think he might actually be attainable

 

[Zman5778]

so how do we get Brodin to pair with Risto for the next decade?

Pray really hard that Minny folds or Fletcher has a massive brain cramp and makes a dea with TM while he's drunk?

 

[Sabreality]

How do we get Fowler to pair with Risto for the next decade?

I think he might actually be attainable

well considering Murray has driven that org into the ground with his missteps, sure he might make the wrong move again and flip Fowler...but with Spurgeons signing to go with Suter and Scandella, Dumbas post ELC coming up and Reilly and Olofsson on their way...surely the Wild are looking to flip a D contract.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

I have no interest in trading Bogo, and I definitely wouldn't consider it for Atkinson and JJ. I'd rather have him over both those players.
The only way I'd do it is if a good, young top 4 LHD was coming back.

 

[Djp]

I have no interest in trading Zbogo unless it's an equal or better LHD coming back.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Buy low on Jonathan Ericsson, y/n?

 

[mgeise]

Buy low on Jonathan Ericsson, y/n?

If his contract was shorter, maybe. But I don't really want to absorb four more years after this at a $4.25 million cap hit per year. It would remind me too much of the Gorges deal.

 

[Moskau]

Pray really hard that Minny folds or Fletcher has a massive brain cramp and makes a dea with TM while he's drunk?

Well if there's one GM that may happen for it would be Murray who is great friends with Fletcher. I doubt Brodin goes anywhere though. Nothing gets done in the NHL anymore. GMs would rather sink with cost controlled assets than to trade them even when at abundance and attempt to swim.

If not for Tim Murray and the Chicago Blackhawks' Cap Space there would have been about zero exciting Hockey trades in the last two years or so. The on ice NHL product sucks, the off ice excitement is non existent... nothing gets done in this league except the approval of rules that hurt the game.

 

[Jame]

Well if there's one GM that may happen for it would be Murray who is great friends with Fletcher. I doubt Brodin goes anywhere though. Nothing gets done in the NHL anymore. GMs would rather sink with cost controlled assets than to trade them even when at abundance and attempt to swim.

If not for Tim Murray and the Chicago Blackhawks' Cap Space there would have been about zero exciting Hockey trades in the last two years or so. The on ice NHL product sucks, the off ice excitement is non existent... nothing gets done in this league except the approval of rules that hurt the game.

Bah Humbug

 

[Der Jaeger]

Main board trade proposal that some Devils fans liked:

Ennis to NJ for Merrill, Matteau, 2017 4th

I make that trade.

 

[Jame]

Main board trade proposal that some Devils fans liked:

Ennis to NJ for Merrill, Matteau, 2017 4th

I make that trade.

Deal

 

[sabrebuild]

Main board trade proposal that some Devils fans liked:

Ennis to NJ for Merrill, Matteau, 2017 4th

I make that trade.

That's quite the steal.

 

[Zip15]

Main board trade proposal that some Devils fans liked:

Ennis to NJ for Merrill, Matteau, 2017 4th

I make that trade.

Pass. Merrill has been truly terrible this year. (Seriously, a -6.92/60 Corsi with over 65% O-zone starts and terrible competition? How does that even happen?) The Devils ruined Matteau's development, and he's a fungible commodity in today's NHL. Finally, a 4th round pick doesn't have much value.

Ennis is an imperfect player, but I don't think we yet have the offense where we can just start casting aside 40-45 pt forwards for a third-pairing, stay-at-home defenseman who's getting absolutely destroyed this year, and some NHL filler.

 

[Moskau]

Pass. Merrill has been truly terrible this year. (Seriously, a -6.92/60 Corsi with over 65% O-zone starts and terrible competition? How does that even happen?) The Devils ruined Matteau's development, and he's a fungible commodity in today's NHL. Finally, a 4th round pick doesn't have much value.

Ennis is an imperfect player, but I don't think we yet have the offense where we can just start casting aside 40-45 pt forwards for a third-pairing, stay-at-home defenseman who's getting absolutely destroyed this year, and some NHL filler.

Agreed. I don't see the point in Merrill and Matteau is a dime a dozen prospect. We don't need band aid fixes on defense and at the moment Merrill hasn't shown he has any long term staying power. I don't like Ennis' game either and something has to happen with him before he has negative value like Sam Gagner did but trading him now for that type of return doesn't make us a better team now or in the future.

 

[Jame]

Pass. Merrill has been truly terrible this year. (Seriously, a -6.92/60 Corsi with over 65% O-zone starts and terrible competition? How does that even happen?) The Devils ruined Matteau's development, and he's a fungible commodity in today's NHL. Finally, a 4th round pick doesn't have much value.

Ennis is an imperfect player, but I don't think we yet have the offense where we can just start casting aside 40-45 pt forwards for a third-pairing, stay-at-home defenseman who's getting absolutely destroyed this year, and some NHL filler.

Is Merril that bad this year? I haven't been paying attention this year. He was impressive at times last year.

Does that horrific number correlate with what you've seen?

(That ozone start number is stunning...)