Salary Cap: Roster-building Thread XXVIII : Lots of D prospects... but need moar D.

[Riptide]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries. The projected cap numbers below, however, haven't been updated recently because of the demise of Capgeek.

2014-2015 salary ceiling: ....69,000,000
Projected cap spending: ......68,733,167
Projected cap space: ...............175,000
Projected deadline space: ......1,547,198


PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Evgeni Malkin|

C​

|

27​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

Sidney Crosby|

C​

|

26​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

Patric Hornqvist|

RW​

|

27​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

Chris Kunitz|

LW​

|

34​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

David Perron|

LW​

|

26​

|

3,812,500​

|

3,812,500​

|

UFA​

Brandon Sutter|

C​

|

25​

|

3,300,000​

|

3,300,000​

|

UFA​

Nick Spaling|

LW​

|

25​

|

2,200,000​

|

2,200,000​

|

UFA​

Maxim Lapierre|

C​

|

29​

|

1,100,000​

|

UFA​

Steve Downie|

RW​

|

27​

|

1,000,000​

|

UFA​

Beau Bennett|

LW​

|

22​

|

900,000​

|

RFA​

Blake Comeau|

LW​

|

28​

|

700,000​

|

UFA​

Craig Adams|

RW​

|

37​

|

700,000​

|

UFA​

Zach Sill|

C​

|

26​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Defense.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Kris Letang|

D​

|

27​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

Paul Martin|

D​

|

33​

|

5,000,000​

|

UFA​

Christian Ehrhoff|

D​

|

32​

|

4,000,000​

|

UFA​

Rob Scuderi|

D​

|

35​

|

3,375,000​

|

3,375,000​

|

3,375,000​

Simon Despres|

D​

|

22​

|

900,000​

|

900,000​

|

RFA​

Derrick Pouliot|

D​

|

20​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

Robert Bortuzzo|

D​

|

25​

|

600,000​

|

RFA​

Goalie...................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Marc-Andre Fleury|

G​

|

29​

|

5,000,000​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

Thomas Greiss|

G​

|

28​

|

1,000,000​

|

UFA​

Injured reserve......​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

.2016-17​

Pascal Dupuis|

RW​

|

35​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

Olli Maatta|

D​

|

19​

|

894,167​

|

894,167​

|

RFA​

WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Jayson Megna|

RW​

|

24​

|

874,125​

|

RFA​

Scott Wilson|

LW​

|

22​

|

655,000​

|

655,000​

|

RFA​

Bryan Rust|

RW​

|

22​

|

652,500​

|

652,500​

|

RFA​

Adam Payerl|

RW​

|

23​

|

626,667​

|

RFA​

Anton Zlobin|

LW​

|

21​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

RFA​

Matia Marcantuoni|

C​

|

20​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

Dominik Uher|

C​

|

21​

|

601,667​

|

RFA​

Tom Kuhnhackl|

LW​

|

22​

|

598,333​

|

RFA​

Andrew Ebbett|

C​

|

31​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Bobby Farnham|

LW​

|

25​

|

550,000​

|

RFA​

Nick Drazenovic|

C​

|

27​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond|

RW​

|

29​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Defense.............................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Brian Dumoulin|

D​

|

22​

|

831,667​

|

RFA​

Harrison Ruopp|

D​

|

21​

|

650,833​

|

650,833​

|

RFA​

Nick D'Agostino|

D​

|

23​

|

625,000​

|

RFA​

Scott Harrington|

D​

|

21​

|

589,167​

|

589,167​

|

RFA​

Reid McNeill|

D​

|

22​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Taylor Chorney|

D​

|

27​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Goalie................................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Matt Murray|

G​

|

20​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

Jeff Zatkoff|

G​

|

27​

|

600,000​

|

600,000​

|

UFA​

WHEELING NAILERS

Forward........................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Josh Archibald|

RW​

|

21​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

Jean-Sebastien Dea|

C​

|

20​

|

598,333​

|

598,333​

|

598,333​

|

RFA​

Goalie...........................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

|

2016-17​

Eric Hartzell|

G​

|

25​

|

550,000​

|

RFA​

SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team​

|

Contract​

Kasperi Kapanen|

RW​

|

18​

|

KalPa (Liiga)​

|

3 years/925,000 per​

Oskar Sundqvist|

C​

|

20​

|

SkellefteÃ¥ (SHL)​

|

3 years/708,333 per​

Tristan Jarry|

G​

|

19​

|

Edmonton (WHL)​

|

3 years/650,833 per​

UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

​

​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team (League)​

Anthony Angello|

F​

|

18​

|Omaha (USHL)

Dane Birks|

D​

|

18​

|Michigan Tech (WCHA)

Teddy Blueger|

F​

|

19​

|Minnesota State (WCHA)

Blaine Byron|

F​

|

19​

|Maine (HEA)

Jake Guentzel|

F​

|

19​

|Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)

Troy Josephs|

F​

|

20​

|Clarkson (ECAC)

Sam Lafferty|

F​

|

19​

|Brown (ECAC)

Jaden Lindo|

F​

|

18​

|Owen Sound (OHL)

Sean Maguire|

G​

|

21​

|Boston University (HEA)

Alexander Pechurskiy|

G​

|

24​

|Magnitogorsk (KHL)

Ryan Segalla|

D​

|

19​

|Connecticut (HEA)

Jeff Taylor|

D​

|

20​

|Union (ECAC)

I used 5v5 stats from 2010-11 through 2014-15 looking at forwards in the top 50% of goals per game (0.09 GPG), top 25% of hits per game (1.56 HpG) and top 50% in hits differential per game (0.14). Recognizing that hits are a biased stat and that hits don't include all physicality, I thought it would be sufficient considering the timeframe and application.

78 total active players fit those parameters with 9 rookies (<20 games played) and 5 AHL players (3 rookie players are also AHL players).

Of those 78:

• Pens Players (3): Megna*, Comeau, Kunitz, Arcobello
• Franchise players / captains (7): Landeskog, Getzlaf, Jamie Benn, D Brown, Ovechkin, Doan, Backes
• New Contracts (9): Kreider, Bjugstad, N Foligno, Kulemin, Dubinsky, Callahan, Komarov, Wingels, Garbutt
• Young players (Tier 1) (6): Trocheck, Jenner, Girgensons, Zibanejad, Niederreiter, E Kane
• Young players (Tier 2) (5): Paquette, Jaskin, Lowry, Colborne, Marcus Foligno
• Rookies (8): B Ritchie, Schaller, Pakarinen, Rendulic, Dano, Aliu*, Dziurzynski*, McMillan*
• Unlikely to be Available (9): Stoll, Simmonds, Clutterbuck, B Schenn*, Lucic, A Lee*, Zack Kassian*, J Persson*(R), J Staal
• Don't want (10): C Neil, B Morrow, Fisher, Clarkson, Setoguchi, T Ruutu, Greening, Jamie McGinn (I), Slater, Clowe (I)
• AHL Players (4): Colin McDonald, Chad Larose, Raffi Torres, Ryan Malone
• UFA (5): Beleskey (ANA), J Hayes (FLA), E Cole (DAL), Eaves (DAL), Klinkhammer (EDM)
• Controversial contracts (2): Bickell, Hartnell
• Otherwise not listed (9): Skille (CBJ), Helm (DET), Z Smith (OTT), Hanzal (ARI), Abdelkader (DET), Cooke (MIN), Boyle (FLA), Nystrom (NSH), Brouwer (WSH)

Now that there's no Capgeek, here's a list of the pending UFA forwards that might potentially be interested in.

Fleischmann, Tlusty, Ryder, Glenncross, Williams, Jagr, Vermette, Soderberg, Frolik, Slater, Ward, Fehr, Matthias, Santillori, Booth, Winnik, Morrow, Lindstrom, TK, Beleskey, Erat, Stafford, Stewart, Richards, Briere, Letestu, Horcroff, Cole, Cleary, Roy, Upshall, Bergenheim, Kopecky, Stoll, Fisher, Cullen, O.Jokinen, Havlet, MSL, Zuccarello Condra

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[WickedWrister]

In before 4 pages of projected cap space/LTIR discussion.

Oh, and Scuderi signed through 2016-2017 is sickening.

 

[WickedWrister]

Now that there's no Capgeek, here's a list of the pending UFA forwards that might potentially be interested in.

Fleischmann, Tlusty, Ryder, Glenncross, Williams, Jagr, Vermette, Soderberg, Frolik, Slater, Ward, Fehr, Matthias, Santillori, Booth, Winnik, Morrow, Lindstrom, TK, Beleskey, Erat, Stafford, Stewart, Richards, Briere, Letestu, Horcroff, Cole, Cleary, Roy, Upshall, Bergenheim, Kopecky, Stoll, Fisher, Cullen, O.Jokinen, Havlet, MSL, Zuccarello Condra

I haven't seen Havlat talked about much since he got his face slashed by a skate earlier in the year. He's got 14 pts in 37 GP, is he really that bad? I know he used to have great wheels and was a skilled top 6 winger, just wondering if that's still the case to anyone thats watched him play this year.

 

[Ugene Magic]

1566
He was scratched after Bourdon died. I don't recall it having anything to do with his play.

He was benched before.



http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/kris-letang-remembers-best-friend-luc-bourdon-5-161121812.html

In 2008, Kris Letang was playing in his first Stanley Cup Final for the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Detroit Red Wings had stormed out to a 2-0 series lead, and coach Michel Therrien decided to make a change: Replacing his young defenseman with veteran Darryl Sydor. Letang wouldn’t play again in the series, which the Penguins eventually lost in six games.
Out of the lineup in the most important series of the season, Letang received a text message of encouragement from his best friend the night before Game 3: Vancouver Canucks defenseman Luc Bourdon, with whom Letang texted nearly every day. Bourdon wished Letang good luck, hoping the Penguins would come back in the series.

 

[penguins2946*]

In the 2008 finals he got benched.

Yes, because his freaking best friend just died in a motorcycle accident and he was a 21 year old rookie. What do you expect, him just to not be affected by that? Along with that, the Wings were one of the best teams ever assembled in the post lockout era, and Letang was benched because the Pens were down 2-0 in the series and not because of his play.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I think it's a pretty easy argument that the experience Letang gained in the '08 playoffs was instrumental in helping him elevate his game and be a force for their cup win the next season.

Again, DP has to get experience in the playoffs somehow, and so far he isn't doing anything to suggest he will suddenly collapse come April.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Yes, because his freaking best friend just died in a motorcycle accident and he was a 21 year old rookie. What do you expect, him just to not be affected by that? Along with that, the Wings were one of the best teams ever assembled in the post lockout era, and Letang was benched because the Pens were down 2-0 in the series and not because of his play.

He played like hot garbage in game two and was benched. This is well before his BFF died and they lost game two.

I think it's a pretty easy argument that the experience Letang gained in the '08 playoffs was instrumental in helping him elevate his game and be a force for their cup win the next season.

Again, DP has to get experience in the playoffs somehow, and so far he isn't doing anything to suggest he will suddenly collapse come April.

He certainly did, but it still took some time to get where he is now.

 

[T1K]

I agree as long as DP isn't a liability I'd like to see him get some playoff experience.

 

[penguins2946*]

He played like hot garbage in game two and was benched. This is well before his BFF died and they lost game two.

And don't you think the reason that he was benched for the rest of the series is somehow related to his best friend dying? I'll give you he was bad in game 2 against the Wings, but his friend dying is why he didn't play any more in that series, not because he was bad for 1 game.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I agree as long as DP isn't a liability I'd like to see him get some playoff experience.

Yes, as a stand in for a breather for another here and there. If they reach the finals he could stand to be in 5 to 8 games if he plays well enough.

The only thing is will they sacrifice him playing every playoff game in WBS so he can sit and bide his time here? Same goes for Harrington.

If they add a D-man at the deadline the only guy who makes sense sitting in the press box is Dumoulin. If somebody important goes down they can easily make the switch. They just have to have them on the playoff roster.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

He certainly did, but it still took some time to get where he is now.

DP doesn't have to be where Letang is now. He has to play at a similar level to what kept Letang in the lineup during the '08 playoffs. And no offense to Letang, but I've always felt DP has much better hockey sense with the puck, especially at this age. I think he is less prone to make stupid passes than Letang was back then.

I'm more worried about Scuderi killing possession and turning pucks over under a heavy forecheck, than I am of DP doing it TBTH.

 

[Riptide]

I haven't seen Havlat talked about much since he got his face slashed by a skate earlier in the year. He's got 14 pts in 37 GP, is he really that bad? I know he used to have great wheels and was a skilled top 6 winger, just wondering if that's still the case to anyone thats watched him play this year.

No clue. That was a list of pending FA forwards that "might" be an option for us - and includes many I have no interest in. Put that together a few months ago once Capgeek died.

 

[Riptide]

He played like hot garbage in game two and was benched. This is well before his BFF died and they lost game two.

Game 2 was May 28th. His friend died May 29th.

And don't you think the reason that he was benched for the rest of the series is somehow related to his best friend dying? I'll give you he was bad in game 2 against the Wings, but his friend dying is why he didn't play any more in that series, not because he was bad for 1 game.

I strongly suspect that that's why he never got back into the series. Either that or MT decided to go with a vet. Honestly, unless MT, Shero, Letang or someone comes forward, you'll never know.

 

[billybudd]

I strongly suspect that that's why he never got back into the series.

I want to say Therrien did say that, but I'm not about to go digging through 7 year old articles, looking for quotes.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

I agree as long as DP isn't a liability I'd like to see him get some playoff experience.

Exactly, and for the ones wanting Petry he has 0 playoff experience as well. Might as well play our kids

 

[Riptide]

I want to say Therrien did say that, but I'm not about to go digging through 7 year old articles, looking for quotes.

Prompted me to go digging...

On the eve of Game 4, Letang discussed his best friend’s life with the assembled media, and his body language said everything. He was constantly rubbing his folded arms. Eyes reddened from crying. His voice affected by the pain that he was experiencing.

His body was in Pittsburgh that day, but his heart and mind were in New Brunswick. He would soon fly back to attend Bourdon’s funeral, which would take place three days later.

Letang would return to Pittsburgh in time for Game 6, but mentally he wasn’t ready to play hockey again. “I had a skate in the morning and I could barely skate,” Letang recalled last month, as the fifth-anniversary of Bourdon's death neared. “My head wasn’t there. My emotions were [gone] out of my body.”

So yeah. Scratched 1(2?) game, then missed the next (1?)2 for the funeral, then scratched game 6 because he wasn't ready.

 

[Michael8771*]

''Moar'' is actually spelled ''more''. Not that I'm a stickler for such things, but in the OP it should be accurate, thanks.

 

[Riptide]

Exactly, and for the ones wanting Petry he has 0 playoff experience as well. Might as well play our kids

So because he's played for a crappy team his entire career, he suddenly becomes a liability in the playoffs? Sorry, but I would gladly take Petry over any of our rookie D for a playoff series. Acquiring him is another matter... but I certainly wouldn't be dismissing him solely because he hasn't played a PO game before.

 

[Ugene Magic]

And don't you think the reason that he was benched for the rest of the series is somehow related to his best friend dying? I'll give you he was bad in game 2 against the Wings, but his friend dying is why he didn't play any more in that series, not because he was bad for 1 game.

The point is he was benched, he wasn't playing game 3 no matter what. We'll never know if he would ever be back in. He played that bad. It was two games and the second one sealed his fate.

It's unfortunate that his BFF died (RIP), but it had no bearing on his performance/benching or if he'd be back in had his BFF not died.

I'm pretty confident we would not have seen him baring serious injury. Coaches usually won't go back to that well in important games trying to dig out of a hole.

Game 2 was May 28th. His friend died May 29th.



I strongly suspect that that's why he never got back into the series. Either that or MT decided to go with a vet. Honestly, unless MT, Shero, Letang or someone comes forward, you'll never know.

We established that already, what has changed?

His friend still died well after he was benched, meaning, it had no bearing on his status before hand. And as we both stated nobody knows he would have been back. Probably even MT would not be able to answer that since he didn't have him for that possibility. I also stated coaches usually don't go back to that well.

 

[Saints11]

Currently, Petry is better than our kids, even if he has no playoff experience. Are you going to say the same thing about Perron? Petry is 27 years old, and far more experienced.

I'm disappointed that our kids haven't played better, but they were not always in a position to succeed. I think we all expected more, plus we all are suffering from Olli-letdown. Everyone had such high hopes for him and injuries robbed him of the year. Injuries have also robbed much of the year from Ehrhoff. So much so that people who wanted him resigned, are now indifferent to resigning him. S*** Happens!

 

[MrBurghundy]

So out of curiosity, what is the magic number of games played before it's ok for a young player to be given a chance in the playoffs?

 

[Boocock]

So out of curiosity, what is the magic number of games played before it's ok for a young player to be given a chance in the playoffs?

Zero.

 

[Riptide]

''Moar'' is actually spelled ''more''. Not that I'm a stickler for such things, but in the OP it should be accurate, thanks.

That was intentional, but thanks.

 

[IcedCapp]

So out of curiosity, what is the magic number of games played before it's ok for a young player to be given a chance in the playoffs?

i asked this earlier in the year, because people kept saying you couldnt trade Martin and Scuderi. So I asked when a young player was no longer a young player. Maatta seems almost universally accepted as 'not a young player" despite being 20 years old, while Bortuzzo and Despres are rookies, despite being in the league for 5 years.

 

[Michael8771*]

That was intentional, but thanks.

I'm not so sure, but thanks.

Penguins need ''more'' defense. Kthanksbai. See, that was actually intentional.


I just don't think any player we bring in will make enough of an impact to positively alter our course.