Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLII Time for Curtis Lazar?

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I guess, but the 2 aren't remotely the same.

Fox probably just had the best season for any Ranger D, rookie or not, since the 04 lockout with 2013-14 McDonagh really being the only other one you could make a case for.

Fox from Dec 1st onwards was a monster player.

I'm not saying they are exactly the same. But it wouldn't be the first time a defenseman is unable to live up to the hype surrounding his amazing rookie year.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They're not remotely similar as players.

I didn't say they were

 

[One Winged Angel]

Depends on how long he plays. A 7 year, $9M isn't out of the question when he's a UFA.

That’s only $63 million.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Sky high expectations by this fanbase after a really good rookie year

Del Zotto isn’t nearly as skilled or smart as Fox, I don’t like this comparison. I get your point about the expectations, but think about it... He needs to bulk up and improve his skating, things which are more than possible. He put up over 40 points as a rookie without being on the 1st unit. It’s more then possible that he hits 50-60 points with 1st unit PP time.

His skills and smarts are through the roof. Del Zotto never had that type of upside and his 3rd season was really good, but he played sheltered minutes and got 1st unit PP time and put up 40 points. Fox became the team’s 1D during the season and played excellently in that role. He has a lot of room to improve as well.

 

[Chytilmania]

Del Zotto liked to have fun off ice
Tony and Fox will have much better careers.

 

[SA16]

Well I think one thing is that Del Zottos rookie season wasn't even that good he just got massive amounts of ice time on PP1. And at the time people were much worse at evaluating dmen.

 

[Ola]

Well I think one thing is that Del Zottos rookie season wasn't even that good he just got massive amounts of ice time on PP1. And at the time people were much worse at evaluating dmen.

I agree for sure.

And I am not sure if MDZ had his mind at the right place all the time either.

 

[charliemurphy]

It must be in that ballpark of a good offer as I think Buffalo would turn it down!

Some Buffalo fans had an issue with Chytil and wanting Kakko instead but others were sort of receptive.
There really isn't a long list of teams that could pull this off especially if Eichel has any leverage in any trade talks.

 

[charliemurphy]

The idea, too, that we have to have three pairs that are L-R is nuts and makes zero sense. Keep DeAngelo, Fox, Trouba, and Lundkvist, unless of course, Buffalo wanted Lundkvist down the road for Eichel, but that's beside the point. People have said we need to create room for those four to play top-four minutes. Lundkvist hasn't even left Sweden yet and set foot on North American ice so how do we know he will be ready to be a top-four immediately? Again, DeAngelo is too dynamic to move unless he's bringing back a potential top pair left-handed shot, and even then I'd be very hesitant.

What if Buffalo is asking and won't budge on DeAngelo?
Zib and Eichel as 1-2 punch down the middle? Talk about dynamics. It would be ridiculous in such a good way.

I didn't think that trade proposal would go too far but alas, lol. I can totally get on board with the notion of being deep with defensive prospects to the point of using it as a strength for situations exactly like this. The cost of trading for Eichel is going to sting. I'd prefer to move Trouba but can't see that happening at all.

 

[Tawnos]

Well I think one thing is that Del Zottos rookie season wasn't even that good he just got massive amounts of ice time on PP1. And at the time people were much worse at evaluating dmen.

Girardi had more ES points that year.

 

[Doctyl]

Girardi had more ES points that year.

To be fair, I always considered Girardi more of an offensive dman than a defensive one

 

[Tawnos]

To be fair, I always considered Girardi more of an offensive dman than a defensive one

I'm assuming you mean offensive in the other sense.

 

[Irishguy42]

Here we gooo!!

I mean, this is still just really a PR announcement.

The NHL/NHLPA still haven't agreed to resume yet.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I mean, this is still just really a PR announcement.

The NHL/NHLPA still haven't agreed to resume yet.

And that's just training camp. I still don't see NHL hockey coming back before August. They should just cancel the whole thing and start pre-season in September. Now we have 2 seasons affected by this

 

[Riche16]

And that's just training camp. I still don't see NHL hockey coming back before August. They should just cancel the whole thing and start pre-season in September. Now we have 2 seasons affected by this

I think the thought process is in finishing this past season and then stopping (restarting in 2021) allows for time in between to come up with a vaccine/cure. If you cancel and start in Oct you run the risk of having to stop again with no vaccine available and another possible severe wave.

I think it's the right call. Get this past season done, award The Cup then pray for a safe start in 2021.

 

[Tawnos]

And that's just training camp. I still don't see NHL hockey coming back before August. They should just cancel the whole thing and start pre-season in September. Now we have 2 seasons affected by this

To the point @Riche16 is making, in addition to and beyond health concerns, the NHL doesn't really have any interest in playing the regular season without fans in the stands from a monetary point of view. Even if they cancelled the 2020 playoffs, they still wouldn't be starting the 20-21 season in October.

 

[SA16]

And that's just training camp. I still don't see NHL hockey coming back before August. They should just cancel the whole thing and start pre-season in September. Now we have 2 seasons affected by this

Why should they cancel the whole thing when: (I agree early Aug is a likely start date)

1. The NBA just announced a plan to resume July 31 in Disney
2. The MLS just announced a plan to resume July 8 in Disney
3. The MLB claim they will "100% have a season" since the league can mandate it but have financial issues
4. The PGA just restarted right now
5. NASCAR restarted on May 17
6. NFL is unknown given this has all gone on during the offseason

And that's just the American leagues and ignores Bundesliga/KBO Baseball which have already started, EPL which is starting on Wednesday and NPB which is starting next Friday (among many other major leagues which I obviously have not got to).

Why should they be different than every other major American league none of which have canceled?

 

[nyr2k2]

Why should they cancel the whole thing when: (I agree early Aug is a likely start date)

1. The NBA just announced a plan to resume July 31 in Disney
2. The MLS just announced a plan to resume July 8 in Disney
3. The MLB claim they will "100% have a season" since the league can mandate it but have financial issues
4. The PGA just restarted right now
5. NASCAR restarted on May 17
6. NFL is unknown given this has all gone on during the offseason

And that's just the American leagues and ignores Bundesliga/KBO Baseball which have already started, EPL which is starting on Wednesday and NPB which is starting next Friday (among many other major leagues which I obviously have not got to).

Why should they be different than every other major American league none of which have canceled?

If the NBA and MLS can do what they're doing, there is absolutely no reason the NHL can't restart. I haven't always been fully on board with this--at one point I was done and favored canceling--but the NHL seems to have a reasonable plan and it will probably be beneficial to the league in the short and long term.

 

[Anthony5967]

What if Buffalo is asking and won't budge on DeAngelo?
Zib and Eichel as 1-2 punch down the middle? Talk about dynamics. It would be ridiculous in such a good way.

I didn't think that trade proposal would go too far but alas, lol. I can totally get on board with the notion of being deep with defensive prospects to the point of using it as a strength for situations exactly like this. The cost of trading for Eichel is going to sting. I'd prefer to move Trouba but can't see that happening at all.

I'd include DeAngelo over Lundkvist if they wanted. I just would prefer not to move Fox.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Why should they cancel the whole thing when: (I agree early Aug is a likely start date)

1. The NBA just announced a plan to resume July 31 in Disney
2. The MLS just announced a plan to resume July 8 in Disney
3. The MLB claim they will "100% have a season" since the league can mandate it but have financial issues
4. The PGA just restarted right now
5. NASCAR restarted on May 17
6. NFL is unknown given this has all gone on during the offseason

And that's just the American leagues and ignores Bundesliga/KBO Baseball which have already started, EPL which is starting on Wednesday and NPB which is starting next Friday (among many other major leagues which I obviously have not got to).

Why should they be different than every other major American league none of which have canceled?

Formula 1 starts on July 5.

 

[charliemurphy]

I'd include DeAngelo over Lundkvist if they wanted. I just would prefer not to move Fox.

I don't think Fox was mentioned... TDA, Chytil, Buch, 2020 3rd and 2021 1st

 

[SA16]

Formula 1 starts on July 5.

Yea so essentially the vast majority of leagues that have entirely canceled are lower tier leagues. Here is a list of sports leagues by Revenue from 2018 and what they have done:

1. NFL - TBD as it's the offseason
2. MLB - Plan on playing but ongoing labor disputes
3. EPL - Starting Wednesday
4. NBA - Plan on starting 7/31
5. La Liga (Spain) - Started today
6. NHL - Agreed on a restart plan/working on implementation. Training camp expected to start 7/10
7. Bundesliga - Already started
8. Italian Seria A: Restarting 6/20
9. Formula 1 - Restart 7/5
10. Ligue 1 (France) - CANCELED
11. NPB - Starting next Friday

Etc...

They're pretty much all restarting so I'm not sure why the NHL should do something different. The conclusion of one season is more important than the start of another. When leagues have lock outs (no full season ones) like the NHL and NBA had and had shortened season they were widely considered legitimate. When leagues stopped early (MLB strike) people were outraged. Obviously circumstances are different but the end is important. I don't think you can use safety as a viable reason given 9 of the other 10 top leagues plan to start and all businesses are beginning to open.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I don't think Fox was mentioned... TDA, Chytil, Buch, 2020 3rd and 2021 1st

If they could get BUF to take a 2021 first, that would be an enormous coup. That pick should be later than either of the NYR picks in this draft.

 

[Tawnos]

Why should they cancel the whole thing when: (I agree early Aug is a likely start date)

1. The NBA just announced a plan to resume July 31 in Disney
2. The MLS just announced a plan to resume July 8 in Disney
3. The MLB claim they will "100% have a season" since the league can mandate it but have financial issues
4. The PGA just restarted right now
5. NASCAR restarted on May 17
6. NFL is unknown given this has all gone on during the offseason

And that's just the American leagues and ignores Bundesliga/KBO Baseball which have already started, EPL which is starting on Wednesday and NPB which is starting next Friday (among many other major leagues which I obviously have not got to).

Why should they be different than every other major American league none of which have canceled?

Well, to be fair, the NASCAR, MLS, MLB and NFL are in very different situations, having either not started in the case of MLB and NFL, or barely having gotten started for the MLS and NASCAR. They're not in the position of deciding between finishing they're nearly finished season or starting the next season.

 

[bobbop]

This is getting out of hand. I dremt of RB making a post the other night.

@bernmeister What do you think about making an documentary? "Searching for @RangerBoy". I take a flight to JFK with the toothbrush in my backpocket where you meet me, and we take on NYC. Think it could be Academy Award materia. We start following up leads. Print old posts with clues about his habits and plaster a wall with them. Stake outs. The whole thing.

Please note: I've not run it by the mrs. yet.

Is this sort of like "Looking for Mr. Goodbar?"