Proposal: ROR to Carolina

[Svechhammer]

In all of these BUF/CAR O'Reilly threads, here's what I think I've gathered from hearing over and over:

(1) Buffalo needs Hanifin for it to make any sense to trade ROR, and
(2) Carolina would look to move Rask, as he'd be caught in a numbers game [though, of course, he could be moved in a separate deal].

With that in mind, what about this as the basis of a deal, and acknowledging smaller pieces could be added to iron out value (i.e., non-1st round picks):

To BUF:
Noah Hanifin (LD)
Victor Rask (C)
Warren Foegele (LW) [Left-shot wingers is mostly a barren wasteland in our organization, and he seems the type of middle-6 forward who'd fit in Buffalo]

To CAR:
Ryan O'Reilly (C)
Jake McCabe (LD) [to help backfill the loss of Hanifin]

I'd pull the trigger on that. I think both sides might feel like the price is high but each should come away happy with the return. Both sides would see marked improvement in serious areas of need next year.

 

[Jame]

In all of these BUF/CAR O'Reilly threads, here's what I think I've gathered from hearing over and over:

(1) Buffalo needs Hanifin for it to make any sense to trade ROR, and
(2) Carolina would look to move Rask, as he'd be caught in a numbers game [though, of course, he could be moved in a separate deal].

With that in mind, what about this as the basis of a deal, and acknowledging smaller pieces could be added to iron out value (i.e., non-1st round picks):

To BUF:
Noah Hanifin (LD)
Victor Rask (C)
Warren Foegele (LW) [Left-shot wingers is mostly a barren wasteland in our organization, and he seems the type of middle-6 forward who'd fit in Buffalo]

To CAR:
Ryan O'Reilly (C)
Jake McCabe (LD) [to help backfill the loss of Hanifin]

Nice work. It's the type of deal that neither side loves, but probably agrees to.

I feel like I'd be holding out for Hanifin and Lindholm.

 

[DRW204]

In all of these BUF/CAR O'Reilly threads, here's what I think I've gathered from hearing over and over:

(1) Buffalo needs Hanifin for it to make any sense to trade ROR, and
(2) Carolina would look to move Rask, as he'd be caught in a numbers game [though, of course, he could be moved in a separate deal].

With that in mind, what about this as the basis of a deal, and acknowledging smaller pieces could be added to iron out value (i.e., non-1st round picks):

To BUF:
Noah Hanifin (LD)
Victor Rask (C)
Warren Foegele (LW) [Left-shot wingers is mostly a barren wasteland in our organization, and he seems the type of middle-6 forward who'd fit in Buffalo]

To CAR:
Ryan O'Reilly (C)
Jake McCabe (LD) [to help backfill the loss of Hanifin]

this seems like a solid deal for both teams. I am of the mind-set that BUF should keep ROR, but value wise imo this is a good deal for both teams.

 

[GoldiFox]

I'm already luke-warm on Hanifin for ROR swap. I'd do it but I think that is about the bottom of Hanifin's value from this point forward (And I say this as a frequent critic of Hanifin). I'm not adding much more than a mid-round pick on top to get that deal done. Rask I would consider adding only because of salary and there only being so many roster spots.

Canes don't need Jake McCabe. Not even a little. They have many internal replacements already and what they really need is a solid, experienced veteran anyway. The Canes defense is too young as-is.

 

[RodTheBawd]

In all of these BUF/CAR O'Reilly threads, here's what I think I've gathered from hearing over and over:

(1) Buffalo needs Hanifin for it to make any sense to trade ROR, and
(2) Carolina would look to move Rask, as he'd be caught in a numbers game [though, of course, he could be moved in a separate deal].

With that in mind, what about this as the basis of a deal, and acknowledging smaller pieces could be added to iron out value (i.e., non-1st round picks):

To BUF:
Noah Hanifin (LD)
Victor Rask (C)
Warren Foegele (LW) [Left-shot wingers is mostly a barren wasteland in our organization, and he seems the type of middle-6 forward who'd fit in Buffalo]

To CAR:
Ryan O'Reilly (C)
Jake McCabe (LD) [to help backfill the loss of Hanifin]

I'd be down with it if you replace McLovin for one of Wallmark or Kuokkanen. Or improve on McCabe as the add.

 

[dkollidas]

Lindholm/Hanifin for O’Reilly/McCabe is pretty fair.

 

[GoldiFox]

Lindholm/Hanifin for O’Reilly/McCabe is pretty fair.

Difference between Lindholm and ROR is closer to 4 years of experience than it is Noah Hanifin.

Lindholm + 2nd rounder is pretty fair if you want Elias.

 

[Jame]

I'm already luke-warm on Hanifin for ROR swap. I'd do it but I think that is about the bottom of Hanifin's value from this point forward (And I say this as a frequent critic of Hanifin). I'm not adding much more than a mid-round pick on top to get that deal done. Rask I would consider adding only because of salary and there only being so many roster spots.

Canes don't need Jake McCabe. Not even a little. They have many internal replacements already and what they really need is a solid, experienced veteran anyway. The Canes defense is too young as-is.

The issue with a Hanifin for ROR swap from a Buffalo perspective.... is that ROR is a proven player. You know exactly what you are getting. A top minute eating forward who can play against the league's best and produce.

Hanifin on the other hand... has a huge portion of his value still within the realm of potential. While he's shown well on the ice, he's been sheltered. He's been a solid 2nd/3rd pair D.... but he hasn't proven himself as a top pair guy yet.

 

[Jame]

Difference between Lindholm and ROR is closer to 4 years of experience than it is Noah Hanifin.

Lindholm + 2nd rounder is pretty fair if you want Elias.

good one.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

McCabe is not a good fit for Carolina and I don't think he'd be valued highly in a deal like this. Fleury already fills the role McCabe is suited for. McCabe and Fleury in the lineup leaves Carolina dangerously thin offensively with only Faulk and Slavin capable of 30 points. A veteran Top 4 puckmover to serve as a bridge for Bean is needed in that spot. Buffalo can't offer that; Carolina will have to find that elsewhere, perhaps using Skinner or the assets he returns in a trade to get that player.

 

[GoldiFox]

The issue with a Hanifin for ROR swap from a Buffalo perspective.... is that ROR is a proven player. You know exactly what you are getting. A top minute eating forward who can play against the league's best and produce.

Hanifin on the other hand... has a huge portion of his value still within the realm of potential. While he's shown well on the ice, he's been sheltered. He's been a solid 2nd/3rd pair D.... but he hasn't proven himself as a top pair guy yet.

Forgive me for pointing out the obvious... But if Hanifin had already realized his potential and was a top-pairing stud #1D at 21 years old then the discussion starts around Eichel and not ROR. Of course this trade is a lower-tier established player for a guy with higher-tier potential. That's the only thing that makes the value close.

You can say "Well Buffalo isn't going to gamble on potential" and that is fine. But pointing out that Hanifin isn't established yet isn't a good argument. He'd be worth far, far, far more than ROR if he was already a top-pair guy.

 

[Jame]

Forgive me for pointing out the obvious... But if Hanifin had already realized his potential and was a top-pairing stud #1D at 21 years old then the discussion starts around Eichel and not ROR. Of course this trade is a lower-tier established player for a guy with higher-tier potential. That's the only thing that makes the value close.

Correct. If Hanifin actually was a top pair 21 yr old... he'd be worth a top line 21 year old.

You can say "Well Buffalo isn't going to gamble on potential" and that is fine. But pointing out that Hanifin isn't established yet isn't a good argument. He'd be worth far, far, far more than ROR if he was already a top-pair guy.

The point... is that if Buffalo were to gamble on potential, there needs to be some more value offsetting the gamble itself.

 

[I Like Eich]

In all of these BUF/CAR O'Reilly threads, here's what I think I've gathered from hearing over and over:

(1) Buffalo needs Hanifin for it to make any sense to trade ROR, and
(2) Carolina would look to move Rask, as he'd be caught in a numbers game [though, of course, he could be moved in a separate deal].

With that in mind, what about this as the basis of a deal, and acknowledging smaller pieces could be added to iron out value (i.e., non-1st round picks):

To BUF:
Noah Hanifin (LD)
Victor Rask (C)
Warren Foegele (LW) [Left-shot wingers is mostly a barren wasteland in our organization, and he seems the type of middle-6 forward who'd fit in Buffalo]

To CAR:
Ryan O'Reilly (C)
Jake McCabe (LD) [to help backfill the loss of Hanifin]

I'm torn on this one, which means I think it's a good proposal. Good work

 

[Stickpucker]

Carolina would want Lehners rights added into that deal.

 

[Gabrielor]

Carolina would want Lehners rights added into that deal.

They are definitely available, and wouldn’t cost much.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Carolina would want Lehners rights added into that deal.

His QO is $4 mil. That may be out of Carolina's price range for a goalie of that caliber.

 

[sticker76]

I have said this in many other proposals for ROR/Hanifin. I don't think this is good asset management by the Hurricanes. It is likely that Brind'Amour will play Aho at C, Necas will be given a chance, still have Staal, and then Rask/Lindholm at C. I think Brind'amour will play a much different style than Peters and the forwards will be allowed to use more creativity and their skill set. For that then I'd rather use Hanifin for young, cost controlled C or another top 6 winger. ROR is a better version of Staal and makes $1.5 million more and his production is not 1C worthy. He can be a 1C, but if you want to be a contender, he is not who you have as your 1C. He is a 2 way 60 point C who makes more than Staal. He is not elite offensively, which is what Canes need more of, elite, high end talent. ROR is not that, so I just don't see using Hanifin, young potential top pairing D, to get an elite 2nd line center making 7.5 million for another 5 years.

 

[WildThingRickVaughn]

To play a full season with Eichel, driving up his cash UFA value?

That happens right?

I don't really want Skinner... but there has to be another valuable piece on top of Hanifin.

In the Mike Richards trade mold:

Hanifin = Schenn

There's a lot of teams Skinner to be traded to where can do that, not just Buffalo. Being traded to a playoff contender where he will play with high quality linemates will also helo drive up his value

 

[Sabrefan99]

What about ROR and Risto for Skinner and Hanafin? Is this too much?

 

[tarheelhockey]

What about ROR and Risto for Skinner and Hanafin? Is this too much?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

tarheel is on a roll.

 

[is the answer jesus]

What about ROR and Risto for Skinner and Hanafin? Is this too much?

Terrible

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

What about ROR and Risto for Skinner and Hanafin? Is this too much?

Why would Buffalo do this?

 

[HoseEmDown]

When is ROR due his 7.5mil signing bonus? I could see Carolina be willing to consider Hanifin after that's paid as ROR would be owed just 25mil over the next 5 years instead of the 32.5 he is currently.

Could also see a Darling + 4th for Bogosian + Lehner rights swap? Darling and Bogosian make nearly the same in real cash, 150k difference, with Darling having an extra year. Buffalo probably wants to move on from Bogosian and his injury troubles. Carolina might want to move on from Darling and Bogosian gives them a veteran for the bottom pair who's good when healthy. Buffalo might not pay Lehner so instead of letting him walk they get a pick and Darling could be a backup, Buffalo still needs a #1. Lehner QA would be similar to what Darling makes and has been ok as a starter so not a complete gamble.

 

[Dr Quincy]

for Hanifin and Skinner

Hanafin + Brent Skinner is closer.