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Maybe, but I don't know how.blah said:Huh? I have a pretty good idea of who will be on the Flyers if there's a next season.
Maybe, but I don't know how.blah said:Huh? I have a pretty good idea of who will be on the Flyers if there's a next season.
It's because they have a lot of players signed. Obviously, we don't know what the entire team will look like, but on defense they have Pitkanen, Johnsson, Seidenberg, Markov, Timander (likely 7th D). On offense they have Gagne, Roenick, Primeau, Knuble, Handzus, Stevenson, Sharpe, Brashear, Radivojevic, Kapanen, Carter(likely), Umberger (possible), Richards (possible). The rest of the holes will be filled via free agency, Leclair/Amonte will likely be bought out.mooseOAK said:Maybe, but I don't know how.
I never would have guessed that one team would have that many players under contract.Gags1288 said:It's because they have a lot of players signed. Obviously, we don't know what the entire team will look like, but on defense they have Pitkanen, Johnsson, Seidenberg, Markov, Timander (likely 7th D). On offense they have Gagne, Roenick, Primeau, Knuble, Handzus, Stevenson, Sharpe, Brashear, Radivojevic, Kapanen, Carter(likely), Umberger (possible), Richards (possible). The rest of the holes will be filled via free agency, Leclair/Amonte will likely be bought out.
mooseOAK said:Then I don't know where the top two line quality youth is going to come from.
Jacobv2 said:Yes. But I don't consider it a certainty.
I peg Carter as a 20-20 kind of guy.
Bruins4Ever said:You've gotta be kidding me right? He'll be at best a third liner? Come on, Carter is going to be a #1 centre capable of 80 points per season at least.
Bruins4Ever said:Come on, Carter is going to be a #1 centre capable of 80 points per season at least.
Frenzy1 said:But not right now. To compare him to a kid that has been playing in the NHL at the age of 18 and has put up a 40+ goal season is stupid.
Carter may be playing in the AHL next year. Hash will be playing in the NHL for his 3rd season. This is a bad comparison and not fair to either player.
FlyersFan10 said:As for Nash, he is a true power forward in the Cam Neely/Rick Tocchet mold. He can hit, he can fight, he can score.
That's what happens when your team has a good GM.mooseOAK said:I never would have guessed that one team would have that many players under contract.
Yes, giving Brashear a four year contract, brilliant.blah said:That's what happens when your team has a good GM.
paxtang said:You've got to be kidding me.
Rick Nash career NHL fights=ONE against freaking Marek Zidlicky, and he had to be forced into it.
Tocchet's first two years he had 42 fights. Neely had 23. Nash is much more like a John Leclair.
Frenzy1 said:But not right now. To compare him to a kid that has been playing in the NHL at the age of 18 and has put up a 40+ goal season is stupid.
Carter may be playing in the AHL next year. Hash will be playing in the NHL for his 3rd season. This is a bad comparison and not fair to either player.
mooseOAK said:Yes, giving Brashear a four year contract, brilliant.
The funny thing is that we have Leaf fans whining because they think that the Leafs have too many players under contract with a cap coming up but you are calling Clarke good because he has even more.
blah said:That's what happens when your team has a good GM.
Vlad The Impaler said:That isn't entirely fair, although you are correct.
You can't do the stuff Neely and Tocchet did back then. If those two players started today, they simply couldn't do that stuff or they would be considered liabilities and unreliable players.
It's very cool that those players took matters in their own hands more often but they wouldn't today.
As for your comparsion to Leclair, I find it even more unfair. Leclair is a huge man-child with about as much testosterone as Mariah Carey. Rick Nash showed more guts last year than I've seen from Leclair in his prime.
It is unfortunate that today, players are cast in very specific roles. Because of this, it is very difficult to get true all-around guys. I miss the days where we had truly multi-dimensional guys. But the fact is, if Rick Tocchet had started two years ago, he'd either have a lot of fight or a lot of goals. It is very doubtful he would have both.
It is already a miracle that Rick Nash can hold his own in a league of hyper-conditioned athletes as an 18/19 years old if you ask me.
It's not the same league we had in the 80s.
So who did Clarke overpay recently? This year he took the stand setting a fianite limit to contracts by saying the Captain will be paid the most. He's denied Recchi, Zhamnov, and Malakhov the typical five million dollar contracts because he's aware of the new cba. Then there's always that huge risk he took in not signing Carter and Richards, the franchise's future. I guess these were all terrible moves in your book right?hattrickshockey2 said:LMAO, that's what happens when your team has a BAD GM. Clarkie overpaid, offered long contracts, or traded for high income players when just about every other GM in the league was wisely getting prepared for a lockout and a new CBA that would reduce player salaries. Good GM you say...?
You may wanna check the Flyers payroll and get back to me. I don't see any Alexei Yashin's on their roster.hattrickshockey2 said:LMAO, that's what happens when your team has a BAD GM. Clarkie overpaid, offered long contracts, or traded for high income players when just about every other GM in the league was wisely getting prepared for a lockout and a new CBA that would reduce player salaries. Good GM you say...?
Panasonic Youth said:So who did Clarke overpay recently? This year he took the stand setting a fianite limit to contracts by saying the Captain will be paid the most. He's denied Recchi, Zhamnov, and Malakhov the typical five million dollar contracts because he's aware of the new cba. Then there's always that huge risk he took in not signing Carter and Richards, the franchise's future. I guess these were all terrible moves in your book right?
blah said:You may wanna check the Flyers payroll and get back to me. I don't see any Alexei Yashin's on their roster.
hattrickshockey2 said:No Alexei Yashin's, but a couple John LeClair's
trahans99 said:Seeing as these two phenomenal young hockey players are only 1 year apart, i'd like input as to who will:
Score more goals in NHL - I have to say Nash with 41 goals already, watch out for 50 in the years to come
More points in NHL - Very close, Nash will outscore but Carter will probably get more assists
Better NHLer - great debate here but i'm going to have to go w/ Nasher