Value of: Richard Panik's next contract

[Elvs]

Underrated player imo. Skates very well, has soft hands and a good shot. Capable of scoring 20-25 goals in the right environment. What's his worth this offseason?

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[780il]

I'd give him a 3x3

 

[Maurice of Orange]

I would give no more then 2.25 for Panik but that’s JMO.

 

[Khelandros]

Underrated player imo. Skates very well, has soft hands and a good shot. Capable of scoring 20-25 goals in the right environment. What's his worth this offseason?

Between 2-3MM per year. Any player is capable of scoring 20-25 goals in the right environment, i.e. Tom Wilson, Jonathon CheeChoo, Pascal Dupuis, Ryan Malone, Rob Brown

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

I'd give him a 3x3

So would I. I think he'd thrive here with our centers.

I really like his game whenever I watch Arizona. Hinnostroza too.

 

[Elvs]

Between 2-3MM per year. Any player is capable of scoring 20-25 goals in the right environment, i.e. Tom Wilson, Jonathon CheeChoo, Pascal Dupuis, Ryan Malone, Rob Brown

Many players can, not all. Do you think those guys you mention were 4th liners? Panik is a legit top 9 forward, maybe not ideally a top 6 winger on a strong team but he can play the complimentary role well. He's not a plug who can't shoot, deke or skate.

 

[Khelandros]

Many players can, not all. Do you think those guys you mention were 4th liners? Panik is a legit top 9 forward, maybe not ideally a top 6 winger on a strong team but he can play the complimentary role well. He's not a plug who can't shoot, deke or skate.

Not neccessarily 4th liners.

Cheechoo was playing 3rd/4th line putting up 16 points till they put him with Jumbo.

Dupuis was middle 6 till he was put with Crosby.

Wilson was bottom 6 till he was put on a line with Ovechkin.

Rob Brown with Mario; Legend. Without Mario; bottom 6.

The only ones I mentioned who were legitimate top 6 would be Malone. He put up goals from day one, regardless of line mates, until all the bad stuff at the end of his career.

 

[Gecklund]

Between 2-3MM per year. Any player is capable of scoring 20-25 goals in the right environment, i.e. Tom Wilson, Jonathon CheeChoo, Pascal Dupuis, Ryan Malone, Rob Brown

Wilson, Cheechoo, and Dupuis were not good examples. Wilson is a good PF. Cheechoo and Dupuis were hurt by injuries but were still good.

 

[Khelandros]

Wilson, Cheechoo, and Dupuis were not good examples. Wilson is a good PF. Cheechoo and Dupuis were hurt by injuries but were still good.

True, but they were not putting up the numbers till they got put with the players I stated.

Cheechoo:
2002-03 66 games 16 points.
2003-04 81 games 47 points (28 goals) playing with Ricci and Scott Thornton
2005-06 Pre Joe 27 games 15 points (7 goals)
2005-06 Post Joe 57 games 78 points (49 goals)
Once he left Thornton, his production slipped,

Wilson:
2015-16 7 goals
2016-17 7 goals
2017-18 put with Ovechkin 14 goals
2018-19 22 goals

Dupuis was good but he was better with Crosby.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Wilson is also still young.
His progression makes perfect sense.

 

[Gecklund]

True, but they were not putting up the numbers till they got put with the players I stated.

Cheechoo:
2002-03 66 games 16 points.
2003-04 81 games 47 points (28 goals) playing with Ricci and Scott Thornton
2005-06 Pre Joe 27 games 15 points (7 goals)
2005-06 Post Joe 57 games 78 points (49 goals)
Once he left Thornton, his production slipped,

Wilson:
2015-16 7 goals
2016-17 7 goals
2017-18 put with Ovechkin 14 goals
2018-19 22 goals

Dupuis was good but he was better with Crosby.

I mean obviously when you get put with a superstar (and all of them were the best player in the league at one point) your production is going to go up. I see Panik as pretty similar to Pirri though in that he offers nothing if he’s not scoring.

 

[Khelandros]

I mean obviously when you get put with a superstar (and all of them were the best player in the league at one point) your production is going to go up. I see Panik as pretty similar to Pirri though in that he offers nothing if he’s not scoring.

Agreed. Pirri and Reider are pretty good comparables for Panik.

 

[The Nuge]

Saying Panik can score 20-25 is a stretch. Whoever signs him should be hoping for a 15-20-35 third liner who can PK a bit if needed.

I’d go 2.5x3 quite comfortably for him. 3x3, is probably the max

Agreed. Pirri and Reider are pretty good comparables for Panik.

What? You might not be able to come up with 2 less comparable players in the NHL right now than Pirri and Rieder.

Pirri just puts up points. He doesn’t really do anything else, and doesn’t look great even when he is scoring.

Rieder does the little things right, and coaches like him because he’s effective when not scoring. And that’s good because he can’t score.

 

[Mosby]

I'd give him a 3x3

That's too much term for Panik. You have to keep him motivated.

I'd imagine max AZ does is 5 over 2. And he's more of a Plan B if they can't find someone better in UFA.

 

[jfhabs]

Saying Panik can score 20-25 is a stretch. Whoever signs him should be hoping for a 15-20-35 third liner who can PK a bit if needed.

I’d go 2.5x3 quite comfortably for him. 3x3, is probably the max



What? You might not be able to come up with 2 less comparable players in the NHL right now than Pirri and Rieder.

Pirri just puts up points. He doesn’t really do anything else, and doesn’t look great even when he is scoring.

Rieder does the little things right, and coaches like him because he’s effective when not scoring. And that’s good because he can’t score.

I don't think it's a stretch since he already scored 22. But I agree you shouldn't expect it and 15g-20a is a more probable outcome for him.
I think he'll get in between 3 and 4 millions a year and that's a fair amount, term is everything when it comes to Ufas like him. I wouldn't give him more then 3 years.

 

[The Nuge]

I don't think it's a stretch since he already scored 22

His goal totals the last 5 years are: 11, 6, 22, 14, 13. He might have done it once but that doesn’t mean it’s not a stretch to think he’ll do it. 25 goals is an over 85% higher pace than he’s been able to put up the last 2 seasons

 

[jfhabs]

His goal totals the last 5 years are: 11, 6, 22, 14, 13. He might have done it once but that doesn’t mean it’s not a stretch to think he’ll do it. 25 goals is an over 85% higher pace than he’s been able to put up the last 2 seasons

he played 30 games the year he scored 6. In his last 255 games he has 55 goals which averages to 18 goals per 82 games. So no, it's not a stetch to say he might score 4 more goals then his average, but it's also not accurate so expect 22 goals

 

[Elvs]

Not neccessarily 4th liners.

Cheechoo was playing 3rd/4th line putting up 16 points till they put him with Jumbo.

Dupuis was middle 6 till he was put with Crosby.

Wilson was bottom 6 till he was put on a line with Ovechkin.

Rob Brown with Mario; Legend. Without Mario; bottom 6.

The only ones I mentioned who were legitimate top 6 would be Malone. He put up goals from day one, regardless of line mates, until all the bad stuff at the end of his career.

CheeChoo scored 28 goals as a 23 year old in the dead puck era without Thornton.

Anyway I'm not sure what your trying to argue. Since apparently any player can score 20-25 goals, I should have made this thread about Chris Thorburn. My bad.

Which crappy plugs can score 25 goals is besides the point. It's a meaningless discussion because no team is looking to sign a player like that for a top 6 role. Panik might actually be used in that role, in which he has done well in the past.

 

[rt]

Very streaky in all aspects of his game.