Red Line's take on the top d-men in the draft

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  1. Rabid Ranger

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    Holy smokes....how is there no mention of Sanguenetti.....and not even in the top ten d-men in the draft??

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    the top 4 of 5 are Americans. The Americans have put out some impressive defensemen the last few years.

    Have a nice array of Forwards coming through as well.
     
  4. turnbuckle*

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    Just for a lark Woodlief should consider scouting the OHL.:shakehead

    I'm pretty confident that Sanguinetti will be one of the top four defencemen taken; in fact I think he'll be the second one. I'm not crazy about his play in his own zone, but he did have a strong showing in the playoffs, and scouts I've talked to see him as a definite top 15 selection.
     
  5. Rabid Ranger

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    Read his comments in Red Line about Sanguinetti. Woodlief called him a candyass I believe. Besides, this is just Woodlief's personal opinions on draft eligible players. He's not saying that Sanguinetti won't be a high draft pick (he will) just that he prefers other players.
     
  6. Bluenote13

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    I like his list, i'm pretty much in agreeance with Alexandrov, Persson, Vishnevski and also like Gryba for the late first round, early 2nd.

    I really want to like Sanguinetti, but tell me he doesn't even resemble Tom Poti?
     
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    I always suspected Woodlief was EJ's mom.
     
  8. Rabid Ranger

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    I don't think Sanguinetti will carry the Tom Poti stigma, who is a very big player who plays small. Sanguinetti is a finesse defenseman though.
     
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    It's a personal preference thing. He doesn't like him. It doesn't mean that Sanguinetti won't be drafted high, just means that if Woodlief were in position to draft him inside the top-20 or 30 picks, he wouldn't.

    There were a few scouts and armchair GMs in 1999 who ripped Woodlief for having Radim Vrbata in his top-50. How'd that turn out?

    Woodlief is going to be right and wrong. If he's wrong about Sanguinetti, he'll cop to it. He's done it before. But one thing he always says is that he's not out to run a mock draft. He ranks the players as he sees them. He specifically cited Sanguinetti in the '06 draft guide as going a lot higher than where he has him, but he simply thinks the guy is too soft and not willing to pay the price to offset his impressive offensive skills.

    I know a NHL scouting director who told me point blank *he* wouldn't take Sanguinetti with his early second-round pick, so there you go. Some teams love him, others don't. And, until we see how Sanguinetti develops, I wouldn't rip Red Line too much for having him ranked 46th.
     
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    Every year I look forward to these Redline Top 10 lists. What's most interesting about this one is not that Sanguinetti is not on the list (I expected that, considering Kyle's previous remarks on the kid) but that it is otherwise a very conventional list, quite similar to the consensus. Nothing wrong with that, it's just interesting.

    Perhaps the only surprise is that he has Mathieu Carle so (relatively) high.

    Tulupov intrigues me.
     
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    The best comparison for Sanguinetti is Phil Housley in my book. I like him, one of the best offensive D in a while. (And not just a big shot, a nice vision and a good passer)
     
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    Erik Johnson - "...he is the best and most complete defense prospect to come along in the past 15 years."


    HUH? i've had just about Phaneuf of THAT!
     
  13. Tinordi24*

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    If you're book is anywhere near the mark ....then....

    RUN TO THE HILLS!! :eek:

    I wouldnt touch this guy with a 10' pole! Housley was NOT a defenseman! He was a forward posing as a Dman and absolutely could not be trusted in clutch situations.

    He sure looked good during the regular season tho!
     
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    Who knows, maybe Sanguinetti's sister refused Woodlief's favours or something... Or maybe he did himself? Who knows? Seems personal to me! :dunno: :sarcasm:
     
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    Yeah, I think it's fair to say Sanguinetti is one of those guys who polarizes scouts. I've read a few scouting reports where the scout liked his skills, but where they suggested he would be better off just making the move to become a forward. Great skater though, so I'm sure someone will take him in the first round, although it wouldn't be a big surprise to see him drop to the bottom half of the first round.

    I too am surprised at how Red Line's rankings are so in line with the masses, Sanguinetti really being one of the only acceptions I've seen (I didn't subsribe this year).

    Looking forward to seeing their goalie rankings.
     
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    Dude, if you KNEW a player was going to turn out as effective as Housley was, you'd probably take the guy with one of your top 5 picks in the draft.
     
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    I agree

    Like some how a 22 year, 1232 point Career Point from a Defensemen is a bad thing
     
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    How is it personal?

    I've never been impressed with Sanguinetti and I've watched him way prior to him being in the OHL. Never been impressed with him. Ever.
     
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    I personally hate Sanguinetti as a prospect (I don't ever see him becoming more than a powerplay specialist a la Andy Delmore) but I can't say I wouldn't draft him for pure offensive potential over some of the guys he had on his list like Joey Ryan or Mathieu Carle.
     
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    You know something?
    I have seen Mathieu Carle play for 3 years and he does belong on that list because of his pure offensive skills.
    He is a happy-gogetter for sure, but...........if he ever decides to take the sport of hockey seriously, he has tremendous potential.

    I have been very happy to have him around.
    He is not well known at all and Red Line deserves thumbs up for them to acknowledge Carle.
     
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    I should preface this statement by saying that I've not seen Carle play, but from what I've read he's a lot like Sanguinetti except a little less skilled and without the drive to be an NHL player. That's why I'd take Sanguinetti over him.
     
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    Let 's put this to rest as I have not seen Sanguinette.
    I was simply stating that Carle belongs where he is ranked.
     
  23. turnbuckle*

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    What rankles me about Red line is it's apparent he makes his decisions on certain players with limited viewings, as opposed to an NHL team that will scout a player on 20 or more occasions sometimes.

    In January or so I asked a scout about Sanguinetti, and he wasn't very high on him at all. When I asked him about Sanguinetti last week however, he had altered his opinion somewhat because he had the chance to see him a few more times, particularly in the playoffs. Woodlief often sees a player once or twice (he's not Santa Claus; he can't be everywhere), makes assumptions based on those couple of viewings, and blesses us with his opinion of siad player for the rest of the year.

    Evseev a couple years back was a good example. Kyle saw him play like one game where he was impressed by him, and subsequently insisted for the rest fo the year that he was a top ten talent.
     
  24. Hiishawk

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    This isn't really accurate. Except for very rare cases, most scouts will see a guy they are interested in about 6-8 times. Then, they will criss-cross with another scout who may also see this player 6-8 times, and some other scouts will see him too. Total may be about 20 or so. Seeing him over a variety of sections of the season is key too.

    Seeing one guy too much can dull the scout's senses and limits his chances to see a wide variety of players.

    Woodlief may have a fanboy element about him to be sure, but he'll be relying on the reports of his staff too. Redline criss-crosses their scouts to sme degree.
     
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    What the hell?

    Or you could read any of number of decent scouting reports that name him as a good defenseman, very poititonally solid and very steady in the defensive zone.

    I guess it's the 42nd unofficial rule of HFboards. D-man puts up points, d-man can't play D.

    And anyone in this trhead that thinks he's puer offence or is just a PP specialist is full of ****, because they haven't seen him.
     

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