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Lebrun reporting it’s a 5 year deal for Rod & staff.
Speculation: RBAs next contract
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WreckingCrew
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He'll probably make him stop hitting people...we don't like too much physicality
Nikishin Go Boom
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Yeah, 5 years is a good length. If we still don't have a SCF appearance in that time, I think even Rod would agree a new voice is needed
Nikishin Go Boom
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Lol @ dreger, weekes, and other media talking heads
If we dont win a Cup in 5 years.. well, window might allready be closed after 5 years. I dont like this extension, not at all.
dogbazinho
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Expecting a Cup at any length of time is ridiculous. It takes a LOT to go right to win a Cup. All you can hope for is a chance to play for it.
Negan4Coach
Fantastic and Stochastic
I mean I guess we can give him credit for getting the goalies not to give up a goal every 3-5 shots like they were for a couple months. But that shit happened under his tenure. As did Freddy's mental collapse.
IDK what the answer is. I guess we just ride it out.
Svechhammer
THIS is hockey?
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No, they weren't. From the man himself.
He says they hit a snag near the end, which got out and caused the hubbub before the 2nd round.
Again, reporters and insiders don't just make shit up for shits and giggles. They report what they're told from their sources.
Nikishin Go Boom
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snag doesnt equal very much in doubt.
again even rod said made it bigger than it was.
guys need rumors to keep their views up and they exaggerated to get the views.
again even rod said made it bigger than it was.
guys need rumors to keep their views up and they exaggerated to get the views.
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Semantics.
Based on every report that's been out there, here's my best guess as to what's happened.
- Rod and Don set up a preliminary contract in September. Both sides agree they want to continue to work together and agree the details will be worked out at a later date.
- Regular season ends, they revisit it. Rod is focused on getting his staff set up, but in the process, his potential new salary somehow gets out to his friends and family. It is (again) far less than what a coach of his caliber should be making.
- They know Rod doesn't care one way or the other, but they feel he's being taken advantage of. They raise a stink in the media about it.
- The original preliminary contract with the low salary is pulled from the table and a new one is quickly worked out.
I feel this matches the timeline of what Rod said and the timing of the various reports.
WreckingCrew
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They report what stirs the pot and gets the most clicks/engagement...right, wrong, or indifferent. "Semantics" as you say, but often intentionally done so they can claim they weren't lying or being dishonest while being intentionally disingenuous or misleading. Partial truth or "technically true" is still not really truth, just like lying by omission...It's just the world we live in these days with any media sources
I am someone who is always down to get hung up on semantics. Words mean things. Also, context means things.
The story was absolutely fabricated bullshit - but, i'll call it 99% fabricated bullshit built on a 1% nugget of truth. as rba described it, a "hiccup" in the negotiations. my only issue was the use of the word "pulled" which given how it was presented was the fabricated bullshit. it was - and this is just my reading of it - strongly suggested as some impasse that had the canes leave the table and things looked like a split was better than a 50/50 shot. but i guess given the choice between these headlines:
"Canes Pull Brind'Amour Contract Offer"
or
"Negotiations Ongoing, All Sides Expect to Work Through 'Hiccup'"
if i'm monetizing clicks, it is a pretty easy choice. who cares if you know it is at best disingenuous and at worst pure bad faith action?
either way, the whole thing is over and the only real losers are the leaf/whatever fans that convinced themselves rod was going to be theirs.
The story was absolutely fabricated bullshit - but, i'll call it 99% fabricated bullshit built on a 1% nugget of truth. as rba described it, a "hiccup" in the negotiations. my only issue was the use of the word "pulled" which given how it was presented was the fabricated bullshit. it was - and this is just my reading of it - strongly suggested as some impasse that had the canes leave the table and things looked like a split was better than a 50/50 shot. but i guess given the choice between these headlines:
"Canes Pull Brind'Amour Contract Offer"
or
"Negotiations Ongoing, All Sides Expect to Work Through 'Hiccup'"
if i'm monetizing clicks, it is a pretty easy choice. who cares if you know it is at best disingenuous and at worst pure bad faith action?
either way, the whole thing is over and the only real losers are the leaf/whatever fans that convinced themselves rod was going to be theirs.
Svechhammer
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Waddell confirms it again during his CBJ presser
The story that ran before R2 was bullshit
The story that ran before R2 was bullshit
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That doesn’t do anything to negate the story that ran before round 2. Because the story before round 2 was that they had a contract worked out, “something happened”, and that original contract was pulled.
If you believe the rumors (and my source has been pretty reliable, for what it’s worth), what happened is that Dundon got sticker shock over the new deal and went over Waddell’s head to attempt to negotiate a new deal with Rod.
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That's all well and good, but as was said many times along the way, waiting that long opens yourself up to that kind of thing.
Finlandia WOAT
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Did Rod renegotiate or did he hold fast? And is that why Waddell is now in C-bus
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No idea on what Rod did. IIRC, Friedman or one of the other talking heads mentioned Brindamour's new contract was in line with other coaches of his caliber.
As far as Waddell goes, my understanding is Dundon's alleged move with regards to Rod's contract was the straw that broke the camel's back. There was other things Waddell wasn't entirely thrilled about, but that made it easier for Waddell to simply not entertain a new contract.
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NGL, it'll bring a new level of masocist fun into my enjoyment of Canes if I have to be worried of Dundo suddenly movin' and shakin' when there are matters of delicate balance at hand.
Tulsky says in this The Athletic article that he didn’t know about DW’s exit plans until the end.
Eric Tulsky, the Hurricanes’ interim GM, discusses Don Waddell's departure and his candidacy
Eric Tulsky, the Hurricanes’ interim GM, discusses Don Waddell's departure and his candidacy
NotOpie
"Puck don't lie"
That's a damn solid interview. Also, an interview by a guy who is very careful with his word. It was nice to hear him give kudos to both Don and Ronnie regarding his preparation for his responsibilities, both current and future.
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The one thing I saw in that interview that worried me is the comment about how they’re a “lean front office, and everybody has a lot to do and has a lot of responsibility. And when we lost somebody, now it’s even leaner. And that means everybody needs to help and everybody gets leaned on a little bit more.”
I’ve worked retail before. I know that song and dance. Somebody quits suddenly, everyone takes on additional work, the higher ups say they’ll hire someone to replace the one who quit. Months go by, no replacement comes and those remaining feel the burnout from the additional work, leading to more quitting.
I still stop by the Harris Teeter I worked at. When I worked there, they had myself and 3 other stockers working Grocery and 3 stockers working Frozen. Today, there’s 3 stockers total, working both Grocery and Frozen. And the only one remaining from my time there is only there because he’s been told he’s up for a managerial position, something that they keep pushing back the timeline for. I hope it works out for him, but he’s been “up for that position” for a while now.
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