Ray Bourque Vs Scott Niedermayer

[Stuzchuk]

Scott Neidermayer is my favorite hockey player ever and this is hilarious. It's Bourque.

(That being said, I'd take Lidstrom over Bourque, hahaha.)

I agree with everything in the above post...

 

[Stuzchuk]

Yeah I sense no bias here whatsoever.

maybe there's bias on his side... but I also agree, so does McKenzie

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Ray Bourque. Both were great skating offensive defencemen, but Bourque was much better defensively.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Bourque AINEC. He can be argued as the 2nd greatest defenseman of all time. Niedermayer doesn't sniff the top 10.

Bourque is better than Neidermayer, however he isn’t arguably the second best Dman of all time. He and Lidstrom are interchangeable in my opinion.

1. Bobby Orr
2. Doug Harvey
3. Nicklas Lidstrom
4. Ray Bourque
5. Eddie Shore

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Ray Bourque vs Nicklas Lidstrom would’ve made for a better debate.

 

[Nick Hansen]

It's like comparing Crosby and I don't know... Mats Sundin? Both great but one is so much superior it isn't even close.

 

[HabsMD97]

Embarrassing to even compare the 2. Bourque is top 5 all-time and niedermayer may not even be top 30

 

[Maple Leaf]

Neidermyer is a game changer while Bourque is a bandwagoner

 

[SympathyForTheDevils]

Why is there such a legend around Niedermayer? Is it international play? Or is it because fans who've followed hockey post-lockout (or at least since the 2003 playoffs) figure that since he was that good in his early 30's, he must have been as good or even better during his 20's!

Well, he was not.

Between a guy with 20 years of elite play, and a guy with 4 years of elite play, I know which one I'd take.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

What a joke lol. Bourque is #2 all time, Niedermayer isn't even top 20.

 

[Machinehead]

Blue-Eyes White Dragon vs Dark Magician

 

[M88K]

I don't what is happening above, but most of the players that people are comparing they've never seen play and only stat watch but
Neidermayer at his peak, was an amazing defenseman near par with Bourque at his Peak, but it was such a short period of time for Neidermayer there's no way you can compare the two.

 

[Weztex]

Let’s play who’s who.

Norris trophy voting finishes

Player 1
1, 2, 2, 5, 9, 10, 12, 13

Player 2
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 7, 7, 7

 

[Bouboumaster]

Obviously Bourque lol
I don't see any arguements for Niedermayer.

 

[Fighter]

Bourque easily but I'd be curious to know what list have the posters who said Nieds is not even in the top 20 or 30...

 

[MXD]

Neidermyer is a game changer while Bourque is a bandwagoner

I hope you can come up with better posts than this one.

 

[MXD]

Bourque easily but I'd be curious to know what list have the posters who said Nieds is not even in the top 20 or 30...

Seriously, start listing D-Men and you'll realize the significantly better Al MacInnis can go either side of 20.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Seriously, start listing D-Men and you'll realize the significantly better Al MacInnis can go either side of 20.

yup, just in Bruins defensemen he's behind Orr, Bourque, Shore and Chara (and maybe Park)

for reference:

Chara Norris: 1-2-2-3-3-3-4-5
Neids Norris: 1-2-2-5

Chara: 3x AS-1, 4x AS-2
Neids: 3x AS-1, 1x AS-2

 

[Juicy Pop]

Let’s play who’s who.

Norris trophy voting finishes

Player 1
1, 2, 2, 5, 9, 10, 12, 13

Player 2
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 7, 7, 7

Still too much credit to "Player 1" because anything beyond top-4 might as well be a meme vote.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Still too much credit to "Player 1" because anything beyond top-4 might as well be a meme vote.

I usually use a 5% threshold for the Norris (or Hart) trophy and discard any result when a player fails to get at least 5% of the maximum available number of votes.

Using that reasoning, here are their voting results:

Bourque - 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 4th, 7th, 7th, 7th
Nidermayer - 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 5th

Bourque got a non-trivial number of votes in each and every one of his 22 NHL seasons. (Lidstrom did that 16 times, then nobody else has done that more than 10 times). Niedermayer only had four seasons in his entire career when he got a non-trivial number of Norris votes.

 

[Habsfan18]

1. Orr
2. Harvey
3. Bourque
4. Shore
5. Lidstrom
6. Potvin
7. Kelly
8. Fetisov
9. Robinson
10. Chelios

Niedermayer is around the 30-35 mark. So yeah, not close at all.

 

[Voight]

Ray Bourque was considered a top 5/10 defensemen his entire career.

His Norris voting record is impeccable, literally finished din the top 7 every single season he played and came in 2nd his last season, at 40 years old.

 

[Nick Hansen]

Bourque easily but I'd be curious to know what list have the posters who said Nieds is not even in the top 20 or 30...

In no particular order:

Orr
Lidstrom
Harvey
Bourque
Pilote
M. Howe
Stevens
Pronger
Chelios
Robinson
Potvin
Park
Fetisov
Salming
Horton
Shore
Kelly
Coffey
Macinnis
Leetch
Chara
Keith
...probably some I forget aswell.