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Gary Nylund

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It will be fun seeing the media (and fan) overreaction today. The US media will have their fun with the sweep talk, and the Canadian media will show how *****-made they are. My recommendation is to ignore it. Better team, deeper team will lean on the Cavs and win the series (likely in 7).

I think this is very well put.

In any event, I think it's reasonable to call game 2 an absolute must win.

No doubt.

I don't watch much basketball, but I gotta say I always find the final ~5-10 minutes of a close game to have no flow. It's just timeout after timeout after timeout, usually lots of fouls too. These were the timeouts + fouls in the final 10 minutes.

9:20 - Vanvleet personal foul
8:43 - Thompson shooting foul
8:06 - Raptors timeout
7:27 - Valanciunas shooting foul
6:15 - DeRozan personal foul
5:26 - Lowry personal foul
4:18 - Cavaliers timeout
3:16 - Anunoby personal foul
3:12 - Raptors timeout
3:12 - Cavaliers timeout
2:27 - Raptors timeout
1:52 - Thompson personal foul
1:42 - James personal foul
0:18 - Raptors timeout
0:00.6 - Cavaliers timeout

Read an article talking about how the final two minutes of an NBA game typically takes 9.3 minutes, but also regularly takes 12-14 minutes (these are likely the close games), vs NHL games (at least the examples they had in the article) that took ~3-4 minutes (End of an NBA game: Dullest 2 minutes in sports)

Agree completely, the end of NBA games really suck. What to do about could make for an interesting discussion and whether anything will ever be done or not is another question.
 

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Disagree. Demar and Kyle have to take over the game down the stretch because they are the best players on the team. That's what makes players super stars and is the reason they are not. Demar had the ball in his hand for the final shot, dribbled right into 3 defenders, pump fake pump fake, then passed it off to a guy with an injured shoulder to shoulder the responsibility to make a 3 when they only needed a 2 to winn.

This is nonsense. Well done.
 

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:rolleyes:

It would have been nice if the referees actually did their job and reviewed the play.
 

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Tomorrow's game will be very telling. If Raps win, I still say they win in 7. The losing streak in Cleveland won't continue forever. Last night, if they made one of those cheapies there in the 4th they win the game. For some reason, a lid formed over the basket.
 

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So every other year when they failed to do it all themselves, people decided to preach sharing the ball and wanted a culture reset. Now that they have actually instilled it and did not abandon or stray away from the philosophy in crucial moments, it's still their fault? They passed for wide open shots, make them.
What you saw yesterday is what they are known for. Not being good enough to close out games. Why can't people admit that DeRozan is not that good? When the team realized that they couldn't win with iso ball because they didn't have the players capable of doing it they went to this team effort style and built a team around that. It just an easier way to spread the blame around and take the pressure off your 26 million dollar player.
 
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So because Fred is not 50% from 3 means that he’s Randy Brown? I guess I can’t assume better from someone that thinks a triple teamed DeMar needs to shoot the ball.
If Demar doesn't fumble the ball when he beats Hill at the end of regulation he can take it hard to the basket. That fumble allowed Hill to change Demar's path to the basket and forced Demar to give it up the FVV at the end of regulation. At the end of overtime Demar has the ball in his hand and has a step Thompson. Instead of taking the ball hard to the rim to draw contact he stops pump fakes twice then kicks it out to FVV who again is left with the game in his hands. Both situations involved DeRozan with he ball in his hand and him deciding to play team ball when for 26 million he should be making something happen.
 
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If Demar doesn't fumble the ball when he beats Hill at the end of regulation he can take it hard to the basket. That fumble allowed Hill to change Demar's path to the basket and forced Demar to give it up the FVV at the end of regulation. At the end of overtime Demar has the ball in his hand and has a step Thompson. Instead of taking the ball hard to the rim to draw contact he stops pump fakes twice then kicks it out to FVV who again is left with the game in his hands. Both situations involved DeRozan with he ball in his hand and him deciding to play team ball when for 26 million he should be making something happen.

He did make something happen. Him being who he is is exactly why he passed it to an open shooter. Last thing you want is for him to turn into "Playoff P" and brick shot after shot when your team is right in it for the win.
 

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2018 Playoffs: Game 2 Preview - Raptors vs. Cavaliers | Toronto Raptors

2018 Playoffs: Game 2 Preview - Raptors vs. Cavaliers

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Posted: May 03, 2018
Cleveland Cavaliers (1-0) @ Toronto Raptors (0-1)
When: Thursday, May 3rd, 6 P.M. ET
Where: Air Canada Centre
Broadcast info: ESPN, Sportsnet, TSN1050
LAST MEETING

The Raptors dropped Game 1 in a 113-112 decision in overtime on Tuesday night. After Toronto led throughout, the Cavaliers took their first lead of the game in overtime, on a three-pointer from Kyle Korver. Though the Raptors had opportunities in both overtime and the end of regulation, they could not convert on multiple attempts and suffered a disappointing Game 1 defeat on their home floor. LeBron James led the Cavaliers with 26 points, 13 assists and 11 rebounds, J.R Smith added 20 points and Kyle Korver scored 19 points. The Raptors were led by Jonas Valanciunas, who had a 21-point, 21-rebound double-double, DeMar DeRozan who had 22 points, and Kyle Lowry who scored 18 points to go with 10 assists.
LEADING INTO TONIGHT'S GAME

Injury report: The injury report is currently clear for both teams.
Game 2: The Raptors are 6-1 when playing Game 2 on their home floor and they have also won their last four Game 2's at the Air Canada Centre. After getting off to a great start in Game 1, Toronto wants to feed off its home crowd and do the same on Thursday as they look to even up the series.
Locked in: Despite dropping Game 1 in disappointing fashion, the Raptors came to practice on Wednesday with confidence high, the group focused on getting ready for Thursday's Game 2. "The biggest thing is just remaining confident in what we are doing," C.J. Miles said. "We did a lot of good things, and we feel like a lot of things we can clean up and do better."
EXTRA ASSISTS

Frustrating fourth: The Raptors were outscored 23-18 in the fourth quarter. After shooting 53 percent through the first three quarters, Toronto shot just 21 percent in the final frame, and missed its final 11 field goals in regulation, despite getting solid looks at the basket and plenty of opportunities to convert. "You ever see the movie 6th Man?" DeMar DeRozan said. "It was like somebody was sitting on the rim, Antoine {from the movie] was sitting on the rim, knocking them out. It sucked. But we had a lot of great looks. I thought my putback was good, CJ's, JV's. CJ's three was a walk in, dead wide open three-point shot that we will live with every day of the week. And I told him that. Like I said, just Antoine sitting up there, knocking the ball out."
Taking care of the ball: One area the Raptors beat themselves in Game 1 was turnovers. Toronto turned the ball over 14 times on Tuesday, giving the Cavaliers 21 points. Making things worse for the Raptors was that Cleveland only committed six turnovers in the game, leading to just four points scored by the Raptors. In a one-point game, that's a 17-point differential in points scored off turnovers. "Tighten up, just clean things up is where we are at," Fred VanVleet said. "One-possession game, one-point game, any one of those 200 possessions could have been the difference. We've got to be better ourselves."
FVV from deep: After a season of hitting big shots for the Raptors, Fred VanVleet had two opportunities from beyond the arc— one in regulation and another in overtime — to put Toronto ahead in Game 1. VanVleet came up empty on both attempts assisted by DeMar DeRozan. "I told him if we're in that same situation again, [I'd] make the same exact pass," DeRozan said after the game. "It's not just me trusting him, every single guy on this team, [and the] coaching staff trusts him in the moments, that's why he's in the game late in the game. He got tough skin, he's going to bounce back, respond from it, [and] I still have the utmost confidence in him."
VanVleet was asked about taking and missing late-game shots when he spoke to the media on Wednesday. His response illustrated why his teammates and coaching staff feel so strongly about him.
"I've got thick skin," he said. "I'm going to take those shots every time. If you don't want me to take them, don't put me out there, don't pass it to me, because it's going up to me if it does and it's the right shot. When you make it, you're the hero. When you don't, you suck. That's what makes making them that great. The pain of missing them and the agony of having to sit through the night and sit on that until the next chance to go out and play, those highs and lows of the game is what makes the game so great."
 

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Interested to see the media reaction to the Rockets loss last night. I imagine its slightly different than the reaction to the Raptors game one loss. Ha

Anyway, come out and punch them in the mouth tonight.
 

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Watched the game and they played like scared cowards getting bullied, no push back. They looked like a team that does not believe they should win. It was quoted that some NBA players are saying they don't respect/fear the Raps, after game one can you blame them for not respecting the Raps?

Until the Raps learn, you teach people how to treat you, they will be treated like the doormats of the East.
 

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He did make something happen. Him being who he is is exactly why he passed it to an open shooter. Last thing you want is for him to turn into "Playoff P" and brick shot after shot when your team is right in it for the win.
Do you pay someone 26 million to brick shots? Shouldn't the team and the fans have confidence in their best player that he can make shots when the game is on the line? The fact that you said you don't want him to brick shot after shot shows me you don't have confidence in him when the game is on the line.

What are we even arguing about?
 

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Watched the game and they played like scared cowards getting bullied, no push back. They looked like a team that does not believe they should win. It was quoted that some NBA players are saying they don't respect/fear the Raps, after game one can you blame them for not respecting the Raps?

Until the Raps learn, you teach people how to treat you, they will be treated like the doormats of the East.
The Raps did everything right in the first half but couldn't sustain it. If both teams play their absolute best, who wins?
 

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Obviously tonight is a must win.

My confidence in this team took a major hit in Game 1. That was such a brutal and disheartening choke.

I'm not sure what my expectations are for Game 2...
 

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Obviously tonight is a must win.

My confidence in this team took a major hit in Game 1. That was such a brutal and disheartening choke.

I'm not sure what my expectations are for Game 2...
I'm not sure what to expect. I want them to win but it seems like they have no next level of play. They use up all their intensity in the regular season and have nothing for the playoffs.
 

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Yeah that's dumb as ****. They shouldn't have had to review that anyway, it was clear as can be live.

Would have changed the game you would have to think. Derozan would have got two shots which he most likely would have made, plus we would have had possession as well after free throws. Instead we got ball on the inbounds, missed the attempt and Cleveland took a 1 point lead on their next possession with a Korver 3-ball.

Possibly could have been up by up to 6 points with under a minute left had the refs and league done their jobs during the game. NBA has to get their crap in order. We are in the playoffs, where every point counts especially under 2 minutes in the game. Those by rules should all be reviewable calls. Everyone in the arena could see how violent of an elbow that was. Casey was yelling at the top of his lungs to review it but instead the refs ignored the whole incident.

Sorry Raps, looks like the NBA has it in for you guys for real!!!! Total BS
 

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Would have changed the game you would have to think. Derozan would have got two shots which he most likely would have made, plus we would have had possession as well after free throws. Instead we got ball on the inbounds, missed the attempt and Cleveland took a 1 point lead on their next possession with a Korver 3-ball.

Possibly could have been up by up to 6 points with under a minute left had the refs and league done their jobs during the game. NBA has to get their crap in order. We are in the playoffs, where every point counts especially under 2 minutes in the game. Those by rules should all be reviewable calls. Everyone in the arena could see how violent of an elbow that was. Casey was yelling at the top of his lungs to review it but instead the refs ignored the whole incident.

Sorry Raps, looks like the NBA has it in for you guys for real!!!! Total BS
If you look at that whole possesion Love got the rebound, was fouled by DeRozan, because of the foul Love traveled, DeRozan started reaching in again, Love starts swinging hits DeRozan, then JV almost bear hugs Love. The worst out of it all was the elbow but the refs missed so much more.
 

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If you look at that whole possesion Love got the rebound, was fouled by DeRozan, because of the foul Love traveled, DeRozan started reaching in again, Love starts swinging hits DeRozan, then JV almost bear hugs Love. The worst out of it all was the elbow but the refs missed so much more.

Its all irrelevant what they missed on other calls, whats relevant is the fact that the call they did make if they reviewed it and made the correct call would have turned into a Raptors victory. Up by 6 points with less then a minute left is better then down by 1. Sorry I like our chances. NBA and refs stole that game from the Raps. And to add insult to injury they confirm what 20,000+ at the arena knew at the time of the play after the game making matters worse.
 

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The Raps did everything right in the first half but couldn't sustain it. If both teams play their absolute best, who wins?

Skill wise? The Raps are a much more skilled team but based on the way they easily folded they don't believe that themselves. They played to lose.
 
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