Recalled/Assigned: Raphael Díaz

[jenkinsNYR9]

Wish these warrior charts could be shortened to just this year. Boyle's is much better than Diaz's, but I have a feeling that isn't the case

Its not in hero chart form but here are most of the stats they use in the hero chart for each NYR defensemen this year (note its 5v5 time only) and below it is Dan Boyles 5v5 numbers from each of the last three season. He has been pre consistent the last three years.
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[Amazing Kreiderman]

What's the difference between McIlrath getting torched because he's not quick and Diaz getting torched because he's not very good defensively, like, at all?

Because McIlrath is a guy the team drafted. That is what it comes down to. Some people would prefer Brandon Dubinsky over Jamie Benn and it is insane.

 

[Raspewtin]

hot take

bench Glass and roll 7 D

 

[silverfish]

Because McIlrath is a guy the team drafted. That is what it comes down to. Some people would prefer Brandon Dubinsky over Jamie Benn and it is insane.

No. We prefer the guy who's been in the NHL all season and playing well, over the guy he beat out in training camp who spent the entire season in the AHL or injured. How crazy is that.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

Because McIlrath is a guy the team drafted. That is what it comes down to. Some people would prefer Brandon Dubinsky over Jamie Benn and it is insane.

Because Diaz won't be with the Rangers organization or in the NHL next year. Why give him any ice time over Wrath, who should be seeing games and getting this experience? Because the guy who maxed out at 16 points his rookie year in the NHL nearly 5 years ago is somehow going to suddenly come in and be in the upper echelon of NHL PP specialists? The guy who hasn't played in the NHL for a year? And that has zero points at all in the post season? He's a warm body at best. Even if he is minutely better in some facets than Wrath, I'd rather have a guy who the organization (hopefully) plans to keep around to keep improving and getting reps than putting in Diaz because AV doesn't like Wrath.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No. We prefer the guy who's been in the NHL all season and playing well, over the guy he beat out in training camp who spent the entire season in the AHL or injured. How crazy is that.

Correction: People prefer a rookie who has been riding the pine for over half the season over a veteran D-man who played very well in the AHL and has over 200 NHL games and played in the post-season for 3 different teams, albeit not a ton of games.

 

[Miamipuck]

Correction: People prefer a rookie who has been riding the pine for over half the season over a veteran D-man who played very well in the AHL and has over 200 NHL games and played in the post-season for 3 different teams, albeit not a ton of games.

Funny I remember that rookie playing just as well in the AHL and actually consistently improving with playing time. The same can't be said for the journeyman you're championing.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Funny I remember that rookie playing just as well in the AHL and actually consistently improving with playing time. The same can't be said for the journeyman you're championing.

I am not championing anyone. Both players bring different aspects of the game to our team. If Diaz plays over McIlrath, it won't be that much of a difference with the whopping 9(!) minutes McIlrath played.

I still hope Diaz plays instead of Boyle, but they might as well go with 7 D-men

 

[Raspewtin]

Diaz over Boyle would be really stupid.

 

[Miamipuck]

I am not championing anyone. Both players bring different aspects of the game to our team. If Diaz plays over McIlrath, it won't be that much of a difference with the whopping 9(!) minutes McIlrath played.

I still hope Diaz plays instead of Boyle, but they might as well go with 7 D-men

OK sorry it looked that way......carry on. In all honesty, I just am not a big fan of Diaz and know McIrath isn't a world beater, but a lot of his game 2 struggles are how he was and wasn't used during the season.

 

[nevesis]

but a lot of his game 2 struggles are how he was and wasn't used during the season.

His struggles have to do with his actual abilities. This is purely a way to take a dig at AV for not 'playing him enough' during the season.

As if this would magically make him skate faster, and have more agility.

He is who he is. He has his place, but depending on the match-up's that AV wants will determine whether he gets ice time or not.

 

[nevesis]

 

[Thirty One]

I think that a decision of all NHL GM's at not clamoring to bring him into their starting 6 is a little different than questioning AV's use of Boyle or Girardi, no?

Maybe a little, but GMs as a group are frequently very wrong.

 

[silverfish]

His struggles have to do with his actual abilities. This is purely a way to take a dig at AV for not 'playing him enough' during the season.

As if this would magically make him skate faster, and have more agility.

He is who he is. He has his place, but depending on the match-up's that AV wants will determine whether he gets ice time or not.

And what's the magic for making Diaz an NHL player? One the Rangers should play in the playoffs?

expectooooooooo diiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaazooooooooooooooo

 

[Miamipuck]

His struggles have to do with his actual abilities. This is purely a way to take a dig at AV for not 'playing him enough' during the season.

As if this would magically make him skate faster, and have more agility.

He is who he is. He has his place, but depending on the match-up's that AV wants will determine whether he gets ice time or not.

Yeah well you're 100% wrong.

His skating is more than ample enough to not get beat on the outside, speed isn't his problem and never has been. Agility now that's another discussion.

During Girardi's mid season absence, what was the best defensive pair on the team? Let me answer that for you, it was McI and Yandle.

So why was he banished for 20-30 games, then saw spot duty and got injured.

He was arguably the 3rd best dman on the team before he got banished. Silly me for thinking AV is a jackball for doing that.

Now back to more of your analysis:

A 23y/o rookie that is improved every single year he has been in pro hockey and actually moved the puck 1000 times better than anyone thought he reasonably could "is what he is", and you would have us believe Diaz, is a 30 y/o speedster/offensive power play wiz? Despite the fact he's been on 50 teams and has lousy stats to boot.

Sorry but AV usage was at best fundamentally flawed and at worst beyond stupid. Hey but drink the Koolaide have fun.

Edit: Yes McI was thrown to the wolves a little bit Saturday. It could have been mitigated or avoided with better usage.

Further edit: I do not think McI is a Norris trophy winner, just that he was given the short end and not given ample opportunity to succeed. He is and should be a #5 or 6 at this point in his career.

 

[Thirty One]

Diaz was -1 in four playoff games with the Rangers in 2014. Case closed.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Diaz was -1 in four playoff games with the Rangers in 2014. Case closed.

Yandle is a -4 this season. Case closed

 

[Thirty One]

Yandle is a -4 this season. Case closed

It's already been established that Yandle is #bad because of +/-.

 

[nevesis]

Yeah well you're 100% wrong.

His skating is more than ample enough to not get beat on the outside, speed isn't his problem and never has been. Agility now that's another discussion.

During Girardi's mid season absence, what was the best defensive pair on the team? Let me answer that for you, it was McI and Yandle.

So why was he banished for 20-30 games, then saw spot duty and got injured.

He was arguably the 3rd best dman on the team before he got banished. Silly me for thinking AV is a jackball for doing that.

Now back to more of your analysis:

A 23y/o rookie that is improved every single year he has been in pro hockey and actually moved the puck 1000 times better than anyone thought he reasonably could "is what he is", and you would have us believe Diaz, is a 30 y/o speedster/offensive power play wiz? Despite the fact he's been on 50 teams and has lousy stats to boot.

Sorry but AV usage was at best fundamentally flawed and at worst beyond stupid. Hey but drink the Koolaide have fun.

Edit: Yes McI was thrown to the wolves a little bit Saturday. It could have been mitigated or avoided with better usage.

Further edit: I do not think McI is a Norris trophy winner, just that he was given the short end and not given ample opportunity to succeed. He is and should be a #5 or 6 at this point in his career.

More or less than 9 minutes next time?

 

[Miamipuck]

More or less than 9 minutes next time?

I think it's entirely debatable asking whether he plays another game this series or not. I would venture a guess more, like 12-15 next game if he plays.

 

[nevesis]

I think it's entirely debatable asking whether he plays another game this series or not. I would venture a guess more, like 12-15 next game if he plays.

Awesome, so with more ice time he won't get beat by the Pens speed. Got it.

 

[Raspewtin]

Awesome, so with more ice time he won't get beat by the Pens speed. Got it.

there's a difference between getting beat like Girardi where you're just slow, with really poor lateral ability, and no gap.

McIlrath was clearly uncomfortable and a little jittery. Obviously, he played like 10 games in the last 4 months playing mostly with D Boyle on his offside........are you really surprised he looked the way he did? Did you watch him earlier in the year when he's confident and comfortable?

And better yet, what is a guy who hasn't played NHL hockey since last April going to do any better?

 

[Miamipuck]

Awesome, so with more ice time he won't get beat by the Pens speed. Got it.

Oh wow that was so slick how you think you got me, wow oh wow that was so cleverly disguised <50 smilies squared>

Yeah I think more time and being more comfortable he will be fine. But hey I am not a goalie what do I know. amirite

 

[silverfish]

there's a difference between getting beat like Girardi where you're just slow, with really poor lateral ability, and no gap.

McIlrath was clearly uncomfortable and a little jittery. Obviously, he played like 10 games in the last 4 months playing mostly with D Boyle on his offside........are you really surprised he looked the way he did? Did you watch him earlier in the year when he's confident and comfortable?

And better yet, what is a guy who hasn't played NHL hockey since last April going to do any better?

ITT: Diaz can skate. Who gives a **** what else he can or can't do.

 

[McRanger]

Girardi has never been fast or agile and we've been sending him against Crosby and the leagues top lines nonstop for a decade.

But somehow that same stuff will keep McIlrath from playing?

Right.

His skating issues have been overstated since the first poster suggested we might draft him and everyone starting going bananas. McIlrath needs to get his timing. He also needs to make sure when he is aggressive offensively or challenges people at the blueline that he knows he can get back and keep them to the outside. Skjei was having the same problems, the difference is hes just ridiculously fast.

Most of our defensemen dont have an issue with speed to the outside because they back up and conceded entry into the zone on every rush. Literally every ****ing rush.