Rantanen is on pace for 136 points - Ovechkin 74 goals. Which would be more impressive?

[bobholly39]

74 goals would be the most since 1992-93 and the 8th most of all time.
136 points would be the most since 1995-96 and the 32nd most of all time.

True. But Rantanen is also on pace for 103 assists.

Only 3 players in the history of the NHL have hit 100+ assists. Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr & Mario Lemieux. Last time that was done was in 1990-91.

 

[bobholly39]

Just like I told you, it's easily goals. Don't know why you can't accept this.

No you said Ovi's 2008 season would be more impressive than Rantanen hitting 137 points this year, which I 100% disagree with.

74 goals was never discussed - and is a big step up from 65.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

No you said Ovi's 2008 season would be more impressive than Rantanen hitting 137 points this year, which I 100% disagree with.

74 goals was never discussed - and is a big step up from 65.

Considering scoring environment, gap over team mates, etc OV's 08 is still better than what Rantanen is pacing for. Difference in goals is way too big.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Just because something is more rare that does not necessarily make it more impressive though. I think players who produce more overall offense are more impressive when the gap is 25 points.

40 goals more than makes up for 25pts and the majority seems to agree.

 

[authentic]

40 goals more than makes up for 25pts and the majority seems to agree.

Yeah I don't agree though, 25 points is too big of a gap. I'm in the minority but I think it's a defensible opinion for sure.

 

[Midnight Judges]

It's a good question and a good poll.

74 goals in this scoring environment would probably be the greatest goal scoring season of all time. I think that gives it an edge, but I think a reasonable case can be made for Rantanen as well.

 

[authentic]

True. But Rantanen is also on pace for 103 assists.

Only 3 players in the history of the NHL have hit 100+ assists. Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr & Mario Lemieux. Last time that was done was in 1990-91.

Good call, don't know how I didn't think to mention this.

 

[authentic]

Considering scoring environment, gap over team mates, etc OV's 08 is still better than what Rantanen is pacing for. Difference in goals is way too big.

I think the goal difference starts to set a player apart from another when the players are close in points. 136 to 111 is not close enough to take the by far better goal scorer because since when do 100 assist players grow on trees.

 

[filinski77]

Since 2005/2006 when Ovi came into the league, the highest goal total that isn't Ovi is 60 goals and the highest points is 125

74 goals is 23.3% higher than 60 goals (Even if you use Ovi's own 65 goal season, 74 is 13.8% higher than 65)
136 points is 8.8% higher than 125 points

On a relative basis, Ovi's goals would be more impressive. Neither will sustain their paces though so who cares.

 

[the mcdavid era]

Neither is going to happen

Rantanen will cool off guaranteed. Ovechkin might get 60 goals though which is very impressive

 

[Balthazar]

Don’t shoot me rantanen fans but because of Ovechkin s age and it hasn’t been close to done in three decades and the fact he scored 64 inluding olayoffs Just last year, Ovechkin for sure.

Again don’t shoot rantanen fans but playing with Mackinnon who is also on a tear helps. If Ovechkin had Mackinnon right hownolaying how he plays my god he could maybe break gretzkys 92 goal
Record at this pace. I know I know, rantanen has been the one that changed Mackinnons game maybe more so then vixen versa so...

Ironically he'd score substantially more goals next to Rantanen than to Mackinnon.

 

[Future GOAT]

Neither is going to happen

Rantanen will cool off guaranteed. Ovechkin might get 60 goals though which is very impressive

Pretty much this, but hypothetically if it were to happen, the 74 goals would be more impressive since it's been done less and especially considering who Rantanen gets to play with.

 

[34]

Both are impressive.

 

[filinski77]

Also if we extrapolate top 3 goals and points based on their current per game averages:

Points
1) 136 - Rantanen (10.6% higher than #2 and #3)
2) 123 - McDavid
3) 123 - Mackinnon

Goals
1) 74 - Ovechkin (25.4% over #2 and 32.1% higher than #3)
2) 59 - Laine
3) 56 - Skinner

Ovi's goals would be more dominant in comparison to this year as well.

 

[bobholly39]

I think the goal difference starts to set a player apart from another when the players are close in points. 136 to 111 is not close enough to take the by far better goal scorer because since when do 100 assist players grow on trees.

I feel as though if you asked someone before the season started which would be more impressive - 74 goals or 136 points, 74 goals would win. Also - if you consider that the next best point getter might also get 120-125 points (if you pace out McDavid/Mack), 74 goals may also seem more impressive, since no one else is likely getting as close. Also - if you consider highest goal-scoring season since 2005 and highest point getting season and do relative increases - 74 goals is once again more impressive. Lots of good points being raised.

So I agree with that idea.

But the one thing I think I agree with you on is that if both seasons occurred head to head - and if one player had 111 points and one had 136 points - i think the player with the 25 point gap would be the one voted MVP/best player. Head to head it loses a bit of luster being so many points behind, and i think the 136 point season would be better.

I mean - to stretch this out to absurd levels - what's more impressive, 93 goals or 140 points? 93 goals hands down. But if the player had 93 goals and 0 assists, compared to the guy with 140 points, i'm definitely picking 140 points as the better season. Being more impressive isn't always the same as best season.

 

[PeterForsberg]

Rantanen is on pace for like 33 goals/136 points, Ovechkin is on pace for 74 goals/111 points. That's Ovechkin easily. 100 apples is nice but having MacKinnon and Landeskog helps

He legit plays with the best playmaker in Backstrom lmao.

Still 74.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I feel as though if you asked someone before the season started which would be more impressive - 74 goals or 136 points, 74 goals would win. Also - if you consider that the next best point getter might also get 120-125 points (if you pace out McDavid/Mack), 74 goals may also seem more impressive, since no one else is likely getting as close. Also - if you consider highest goal-scoring season since 2005 and highest point getting season and do relative increases - 74 goals is once again more impressive. Lots of good points being raised.

So I agree with that idea.

But the one thing I think I agree with you on is that if both seasons occurred head to head - and if one player had 111 points and one had 136 points - i think the player with the 25 point gap would be the one voted MVP/best player. Head to head it loses a bit of luster being so many points behind, and i think the 136 point season would be better.

I mean - to stretch this out to absurd levels - what's more impressive, 93 goals or 140 points? 93 goals hands down. But if the player had 93 goals and 0 assists, compared to the guy with 140 points, i'm definitely picking 140 points as the better season. Being more impressive isn't always the same as best season.

If Rantanen gets his 32 G/136pts and his own linemate hits his 50 G/125pts, who had the better season? 18 goals more than makes up for 11pts imo. How is Rantanen the MVP of the league in this situation? He would split votes with MacK and OV would easily be ahead.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

74 goals.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Ironically he'd score substantially more goals next to Rantanen than to Mackinnon.

I too feel rantanen is probably better but wingers don’t really play “next to wingers” but they’d play together yeah, I just usually think center winter so that’s why I said Mackinnon.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Rantanen’s would be more impressive because it’s Rantanen.

If OV scores 74 goals, it’s impressive, but it’s OV so it’s not completely unfathomable to imagine.

Basically if you asked me which would be more likely at the start of the season I would’ve said OV.

If you remove the players and just do raw numbers, 74 goals is more impressive though.

 

[Sam Spade]

Well neither will happen but 74 goals is a lot more impressive.

 

[Sky04]

Goals easily

 

[Dicdonya]

I went with Ovi, not just because 74 goals is a rarer feat, but also because it would be Ovi doing it, at 33 years old, the year after he won a cup, when his offseason was shorter, and more full of celebration and drinking, and the possibility of him having a down year was very real.

I would never expect Ovi to put up his career best goals in that situation, so that would impress me more.

That doesn't mean that Rantanen would not impress the shit out of me too, just slightly less than Ovi scoring 74.

 

[ijuka]

Well, it's not 74+0 we'd be talking about... Ovechkin would be very close to 136 points anyway.

 

[spiny norman]

Lopsided result.