Ranking These Players' Primes (#1)

[blundluntman]

Rank these players based on their value on the ice during their primes (6 year period).

Notes: bolded stats signify they lead the league in that category

Guy Lafleur

1974–75	Montreal Canadiens	NHL	70	53	66	119	37	11	12	7	19	15
1975–76*	Montreal Canadiens	NHL	80	56	69	125	36	13	7	10	17	2
1976–77*	Montreal Canadiens	NHL	80	56	80	136	20	14	9	17	26	6
1977–78*	Montreal Canadiens	NHL	78	60	72	132	26	15	10	11	21	16
1978–79*	Montreal Canadiens	NHL	80	52	77	129	28	16	10	13	23	0
1979–80	Montreal Canadiens	NHL	74	50	75	125	12	3	3	1	4	0

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Joe Sakic

1995–96	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	82	51	69	120	44	22	18	16	34	14
1996–97	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	65	22	52	74	34	17	8	17	25	14
1997–98	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	64	27	36	63	50	6	2	3	5	6
1998–99	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	73	41	55	96	29	19	6	13	19	8
1999–00	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	60	28	53	81	28	17	2	7	9	8
2000–01	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	82	54	64	118	30	21	13	13	26	6

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Steve Yzerman

1987–88	Detroit Red Wings	NHL	64	50	52	102	44	3	1	3	4	6
1988–89	Detroit Red Wings	NHL	80	65	90	155	61	6	5	5	10	2
1989–90	Detroit Red Wings	NHL	79	62	65	127	79	—	—	—	—	—
1990–91	Detroit Red Wings	NHL	80	51	57	108	34	7	3	3	6	4
1991–92	Detroit Red Wings	NHL	79	45	58	103	64	11	3	5	8	12
1992–93	Detroit Red Wings	NHL	84	58	79	137	44	7	4	3	7	4

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Alex Ovechkin

2005–06	Washington Capitals	NHL	81	52	54	106	52	—	—	—	—	—
2006–07	Washington Capitals	NHL	82	46	46	92	52	—	—	—	—	—
2007–08	Washington Capitals	NHL	82	65	47	112	40	7	4	5	9	0
2008–09	Washington Capitals	NHL	79	56	54	110	72	14	11	10	21	8
2009–10	Washington Capitals	NHL	72	50	59	109	89	7	5	5	10	0
2010–11	Washington Capitals	NHL	79	32	53	85	41	9	5	5	10	10

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Sidney Crosby

2006–07	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	79	36	84	120	60	5	3	2	5	4
2007–08	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	53	24	48	72	39	20	6	21	27	12
2008–09	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	77	33	70	103	76	24	15	16	31	14
2009–10	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	81	51	58	109	69	13	6	13	19	6
2010–11	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	41	32	34	66	31	—	—	—	—	—
2011–12	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	22	8	29	37	14	6	3	5	8	9

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Eric Lindros

1993–94	Philadelphia Flyers	NHL	65	44	53	97	103	—	—	—	—	—
1994–95	Philadelphia Flyers	NHL	46	29	41	70	60	12	4	11	15	18
1995–96	Philadelphia Flyers	NHL	73	47	68	115	163	12	6	6	12	43
1996–97	Philadelphia Flyers	NHL	52	32	47	79	136	19	12	14	26	40
1997–98	Philadelphia Flyers	NHL	63	30	41	71	134	5	1	2	3	17
1998–99	Philadelphia Flyers	NHL	71	40	53	93

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Peter Forsberg

1995–96	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	82	30	86	116	47	22	10	11	21	18
1996–97	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	65	28	58	86	73	14	5	12	17	10
1997–98	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	72	25	66	91	94	7	6	5	11	12
1998–99	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	78	30	67	97	108	19	8	16	24	31
1999–00	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	49	14	37	51	52	16	7	8	15	12
2000–01	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	73	27	62	89	54	11	4	10	14	6
2002–03	Colorado Avalanche	NHL	75	29	77	106	70	7	2	6	8	6

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*I personally don't know if the 03 season should count for Forsberg since it's breaking the rules but: 1: I think it adds context, 2: I'm OCD so I'd like there to be 2 100 pt seasons, 3: He's a weak link without it imo and I want 10 contestants so pls don't bring it up

Marcel Dionne

1976–77	Los Angeles Kings	NHL	80	53	69	122	12	9	5	9	14	2
1977–78	Los Angeles Kings	NHL	70	36	43	79	37	2	0	0	0	0
1978–79	Los Angeles Kings	NHL	80	59	71	130	30	2	0	1	1	0
1979–80	Los Angeles Kings	NHL	80	53	84	137	32	4	0	3	3	4
1980–81	Los Angeles Kings	NHL	80	58	77	135	70	4	1	3	4	7
1981–82	Los Angeles Kings	NHL	78	50	67	117	50	10	7	4	11	0

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Jaromir Jagr

1994–95	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	48	32	38	70	37	12	10	5	15	6
1995–96	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	82	62	87	149	96	18	11	12	23	18
1996–97	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	63	47	48	95	40	5	4	4	8	4
1997–98	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	77	35	67	102	64	6	4	5	9	2
1998–99	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	81	44	83	127	66	9	5	7	12	16
1999–2000	Pittsburgh Penguins	NHL	63	42	54	96	50	11	8	8	16	6

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Mike Bossy

1978–79	New York Islanders	NHL	80	69	57	126	25	10	6	2	8	2
1979–80	New York Islanders	NHL	75	51	41	92	12	16	10	13	23	8
1980–81	New York Islanders	NHL	79	68	51	119	32	18	17	18	35	4
1981–82	New York Islanders	NHL	80	64	83	147	22	19	17	10	27	0
1982–83	New York Islanders	NHL	79	60	58	118	20	19	17	9	26	10
1983–84	New York Islanders	NHL	67	51	67	118	8	21	8	10	18	4

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[jetsforever]

I want to vote Crosby based on how insane he was on the ice, although he missed good chunks of time.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Crosby should have zero votes. 3 seasons he was injured and in the 3 he was healthy, OV was clearly better than him in 2 of them. Basically a vote for Crosby is saying his 3 seasons are better than 6 from OV, Jagr, Lafleur which is an absolute joke.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yzerman.

 

[Krewe]

Easy Jagr to me

 

[TS Quint]

Is prime Crosby 2009?

 

[TheGuiminator]

Jagr easily

 

[blundluntman]

Crosby should have zero votes. 3 seasons he was injured and in the 3 he was healthy, OV was clearly better than him in 2 of them. Basically a vote for Crosby is saying his 3 seasons are better than 6 from OV, Jagr, Lafleur which is an absolute joke.

I specified to judge by their value on the ice because this is more about measuring them at their best than their ability to stay healthy. If this was about their careers as a whole I'd agree with your sentiment tho.

 

[MessierII]

Voted Jagr. Surprised how many votes sid and ovy have.

 

[Regal]

Surprised by the lack of Lafleur. He was basically made for a 6 consecutive season question. His combination of health and consistency is better than anyone else here and it lines up perfectly with a 5 season run of playoff dominance where he led the playoffs in scoring 3 times. His whole legacy is based almost entirely on these seasons.

 

[blundluntman]

Surprised by the lack of Lafleur. He was basically made for a 6 consecutive season question. His combination of health and consistency is better than anyone else here and it lines up perfectly with a 5 season run of playoff dominance where he led the playoffs in scoring 3 times. His whole legacy is based almost entirely on these seasons.

That's precisely why I made this thread honestly. There was a thread about him in the HoH section I saw that inspired the idea.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

I specified to judge by their value on the ice because this is more about measuring them at their best than their ability to stay healthy. If this was about their careers as a whole I'd agree with your sentiment tho.

Value on ice means you have to be on the ice doesn't it? The fact that Crosby only won 1 hart and 1 lindsay during this time proves what the media and and players thought of his value and performances. In the given times Jagr won multiple lindsays and rosses. Lafleur multiple harts, lindsays and rosses. OV multiple harts, lindsays and rockets. OV was clearly better than Crosby in 07/08-09/10. Crosby was better in 06/07. Value on ice is clearly OV.

 

[bobholly39]

Im confused. Is this best 6 consecutive years or best prime?

Crosby hands down has the best prime.
But best 6 consecutive years - no. Prime to me can be more than 6 years

 

[Mickey Marner]

Crosby's prime is 15 years and counting. Hard not to go with that.

 

[bobholly39]

If its 6 consecutive seasons Lafleur and Jagr tower over the rest - with edge to Lafleur due to playoffs (Jagr edge in reg season).

If its overall prime - Crosby. #2 gets interesting. Jagr or Ov are likely best options, maybe others. Maybe even Lafleur

 

[Thenameless]

For this particular question, I'm comfortable going with my avatar. There's a reason Lafleur has the most bolded numbers in his boxscore.

I don't think anyone else here has a better total combination of:

1. Regular Season Numbers/Trophies (Six 50-goal, 100-point seasons in row, 3 Ross, 2 Hart, and 3 Pearson)
2. Playoff Numbers/Trophies (led playoffs in scoring 3 times in a row, Conn Smythe)
3. Clutch Play
4. Stanley Cup Results
5. On-ice artistry (played the game beautifully)
6. Fan Adoration (far and away the most popular of his time, and still one of the most popular all time)
7. Best-Player-in-the-World Status (his short reign was after Bobby Orr and before Wayne Gretzky)

Really, the only problem with Guy was the length of his prime (too short). He wasn't a superstar out of the gate, and then a car crash saw his ability fall off sharply. A few more years at his 6 year prime level would have put him in the next tier with players like Bobby Hull and Jean Beliveau.

 

[Voight]

Jagr's 5 scoring titles mean nothing I suppose.

 

[Regal]

Jagr's 5 scoring titles mean nothing I suppose.

He has 4 in this period and he's currently tied for the most votes, so I don't see where they're not being given weight here.

 

[JackSlater]

The wording in the OP leads me to select Lafleur. Jagr gives him very stiff competition but he also missed essentially a quarter of two seasons.

 

[TheGuiminator]

Jagr should win by a landslide, nobody has a better resume in their respective 6 years stretch (Lafleur is the only one who comes close)

Jagr (from 1995-2000)

Hart finish : 1-2-2-2-4
Point finish : 1-1-1-1-2-5
Goal finish : 2–2-2-4-5-7
Assist finish : 1-1–2-3–6-11
PPG finish : 1-1-1-2-2-3

5x 1st All Star team Selection
1x 2nd AST selection

4 Art Ross
2 Pearson
Hart (1999)

Also, Jagr’s playoffs stats aren’t too bad either, he had some good to great run in 1995, 1996 & 2000.

 

[JackSlater]

Jagr should win by a landslide, nobody has a better resume in their respective 6 years stretch (Lafleur is the only one who comes close)

Jagr (from 1995-2000)

Hart finish : 1-2-2-2-4
Point finish : 1-1-1-1-2-5
Goal finish : 2–2-2-4-5-7
Assist finish : 1-1–2-3–6-11
PPG finish : 1-1-1-2-2-3

5x 1st All Star team Selection
1x 2nd AST selection

4 Art Ross
2 Pearson
Hart (1999)

Also, Jagr’s playoffs stats aren’t too bad either, he had some good to great run in 1995, 1996 & 2000.

If it's just resumes I can't see how Jagr has Lafleur beaten.

Lafleur (from 1975-1980)

Hart finish : 1-1-2-3-4-5
Point finish : 1-1-1-3-3-4
Goal finish : 1–2-2-2-3-7
Assist finish : 1-2–2-3–3-5
PPG finish : 1-1-1-2-3-3

6x 1st All Star team Selection

3 Art Ross
3 Pearson
2 Hart
Conn Smythe

Better playoff runs than Jagr had, finished 1, 1, 1, 2, 3 in playoff scoring during the six year span. Players aren't their resumes of course but in a six year span it's possible that fewer than a handful of players in NHL history have Lafleur beaten.

 

[SupremeNachos]

Crosby should have zero votes. 3 seasons he was injured and in the 3 he was healthy, OV was clearly better than him in 2 of them. Basically a vote for Crosby is saying his 3 seasons are better than 6 from OV, Jagr, Lafleur which is an absolute joke.

 

[TheGuiminator]

If it's just resumes I can't see how Jagr has Lafleur beaten.

Lafleur (from 1975-1980)

Hart finish : 1-1-2-3-4-5
Point finish : 1-1-1-3-3-4
Goal finish : 1–2-2-2-3-7
Assist finish : 1-2–2-3–3-5
PPG finish : 1-1-1-2-3-3

6x 1st All Star team Selection

3 Art Ross
3 Pearson
2 Hart
Conn Smythe

Better playoff runs than Jagr had, finished 1, 1, 1, 2, 3 in playoff scoring during the six year span. Players aren't their resumes of course but in a six year span it's possible that fewer than a handful of players in NHL history have Lafleur beaten.

My bad, I was only looking at the stats according to the OP and It looks like he forgot to bold Lafleurs' 76 & 78 season as points leader, which gives him 3 Art Ross instead of one. It's a big difference maker.

Change my vote for Lafleur

 

[Lambo]

Jagr

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Crosby had a 12 year prime. 07-19 so he is the easy answer here if it’s actual prime