Rank the top 15 forwards since 1990 based on peak and/or prime

Horvath Broncos

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Since 1990?

1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Gretzky
4.Crosby
5.Lindros
6. Sakic
7. Fedorov
8. Foresberg
9. Malkin
10. Thornton
11. Kane
12. St louis
13. Datsyuk
14. Iginla
15. Yzerman

I know some people just don't like certain players, but it is hard to take one's opinion seriously when there is absolutely no explanation why to leave player x out of this top 15 and I bet you know who that player is in this case.
 

The Panther

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Funny thread.

Mario should be #1. From 1991 to 1997, almost certainly the best forward in the world, with a peak that would embarrass any of the best players in the past dozen years.

Are we starting here from summer 1990? In 1990-91, Gretzky had (except for two Mario seasons) the most points by any player in history, was +30, and his team finished in 1st. He scored 41 goals in 78 games, and had 122 assists -- the most by anybody, ever (except of course, himself). For the 'Adjusted Stats' crowd, that's 146 points against League-historical scoring averages. (That's about 30 more points than Kane had this year vs. historical averages, and about 25 more than Crosby's best-ever season.) He then completely dominated the 1991 Canada Cup against the world's best players.

Having been 'Sutered' in September '91, and already with 13 pro-seasons behind him, Gretzky passed his prime as the 1991-92 season started. However, he did all right for a guy past his prime, putting up (Adjusted) point totals of 103 points at age 37. Let's also bear in mind that head-to-head from 1990 to 1999, Gretzky outscored Jagr. And in the playoffs in the '90s, Gretzky destroys Jagr.

But Jagr is clearly #2 or #3 here, I think, since he has his entire NHL career with great longevity on his side.

After that, it's the usual names: Crosby, Sakic, Ovechkin, Messier (1990 to 1997 was all-world), Forsberg, Sedins, Yzerman, etc.
 

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1.Jagr
2.McDavid
3.Lindros
4.Gretzky
5.Sakic
6.Ovechkin
7.Crosby
8.Lemieux
9.Fedorov
10.Thornton
11.Iginla
12.Messier
13.Hull
14.Oates
15.Selanne
 

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Since 1990?

1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Gretzky
4.Crosby
5.Lindros
6. Sakic
7. Fedorov
8. Foresberg
9. Malkin
10. Thornton
11. Kane
12. St louis
13. Datsyuk
14. Iginla
15. Yzerman

Did you forget Ovechkin or actually think he doesn't belong here?
 

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1.Jagr
2.McDavid
3.Lindros
4.Gretzky
5.Sakic
6.Ovechkin
7.Crosby
8.Lemieux
9.Fedorov
10.Thornton
11.Iginla
12.Messier
13.Hull
14.Oates
15.Selanne

This is the best list by far.

The guy with ~40 NHL games to his name has by FAR had a better peak/prime than Lemieux. No question. In fact - the heck with Mario, he sucks. I assume your Lemieux is likely named Claude, right?
 

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Love how absent Brett Hull is on a lot of these lists.... In 90-91 he scored 86 goals in 78 games. Do people not understand how ridiculous that is?
 

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Love how absent Brett Hull is on a lot of these lists.... In 90-91 he scored 86 goals in 78 games. Do people not understand how ridiculous that is?



If I didn't include Ovechkin as a few people have quoted me, this is literally the reason I didn't include Brett Hull either.


1 dimensional snipers, although Brett Hull could actually make a pass or two
 

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In no particular order (other than Lemieux being undisputed #1)

Lemieux
Gretzky
Yzerman
Hull
Sakic
Forsberg
Lindros
Jagr
Kariya
Selanne
Thornton
Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Stamkos
 

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If I didn't include Ovechkin as a few people have quoted me, this is literally the reason I didn't include Brett Hull either.


1 dimensional snipers, although Brett Hull could actually make a pass or two

What's wrong with putting the puck in the net better than anyone else? Kind of the point of the game is it not?
 

StLHokie

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If I didn't include Ovechkin as a few people have quoted me, this is literally the reason I didn't include Brett Hull either.


1 dimensional snipers, although Brett Hull could actually make a pass or two

One dimensional? If you had the best shot in the world, why wouldn't you do everything in your power to take advantage of it? If there is a 2 on 1, you want the better shooter shooting. That means that he naturally is going to have less assists which leads to the "one dimensional" BS. Just because a player is dominant in one aspect of the game, doesn't mean that they couldn't be dominant in another.
 

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1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Crosby
4. Lindros
5. Sakic
6. Ovechkin
7. Fedorov
8. Malkin
9. Yzerman
10. Forsberg
11. Hull
12. Gretzky
13. Thornton
14. Oates
15. St. Louis

HM: Selanne, Iginla, Lafontaine, Bure, Mogilny, LeClair, Kovalchuk
 

ManofSteel55

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I don't think either of them were as good as any players on my list in the 90s. Probably in the 15-20 range though, but I didn't want to make too big of a list as it gets harder the further you go.

Gretzky led the NHL in scoring over the 1990s (257 goals, 763 assists in 713 games), Messier was only 11th, but captained 2 teams to cups and saw significant drop in production in the latter half of the decade. If you are going on peak and/or prime, both Messier and Gretzky pretty much have to be in there.
 

ManofSteel55

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1. Lemieux
2. Gretzky
3. Jagr
4. Lindros(this is a peak list after all)
5. Fedorov
6. Crosby
7. Sakic
8. Forsberg
9. Messier
10. Thornton
11. Kane
12. Yzerman
13. Hull
14. Gilmour
15. Ovechkin
 

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Adam Oates from 90-91 to 93-94 deserves consideration.
115 points in only 61 games in 90-91
99 points in 80 games in 91-92
142 points in 92-93
112 points in 77 games in 93-94.

He was the best playmaker during that stretch.
 

Ziggyjoe21

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1. Lemieux
2. Jagr/Gretzky
3. Crosby, Ovechkin, Lindros
4. Forsberg, Fedorov, Hull, Malkin
5. Selanne, Yzerman, Thornton
6. Kane, Sakic
 

KrisLetAngry

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See this is tough

1. Lemuix
2. Gretzky
3. Crosby
4. Jagr

After those 4 I got a hard time who I want to put

I believe Ovechkin Malkin Lindros Fedorov Forsberg make this list for sure.

Other names that most likely but I'm having a hard time with names atm

Would Yzerman or Datsyuk make this?
We got oates and Thornton and selanne Sundin

Idk I need more lists haha
 

creg78*

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One dimensional? If you had the best shot in the world, why wouldn't you do everything in your power to take advantage of it? If there is a 2 on 1, you want the better shooter shooting. That means that he naturally is going to have less assists which leads to the "one dimensional" BS. Just because a player is dominant in one aspect of the game, doesn't mean that they couldn't be dominant in another.

Call me when he gets out of the first round.
 

creg78*

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What's wrong with putting the puck in the net better than anyone else? Kind of the point of the game is it not?



Mario lemieux was the best at putting the puck in the net.



and i meant 2nd round with the post above :help:
 

Peanut

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Since 1990?

1. Lemieux
2. Jagr
3. Gretzky
4.Crosby
5.Lindros
6. Sakic
7. Fedorov
8. Foresberg
9. Malkin
10. Thornton
11. Kane
12. St louis
13. Datsyuk
14. Iginla
15. Yzerman


Missing Ovie there bud!
 

RobBrown4PM

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1. Lemiuex
2. Jagr
3. Forsberg
4. Ovechkin
5. Crosby
6. Iginla
7. Sundin
8. Lindros
9. Bure
10. Neely
11. Hull
12. Thorton
13. Sakic
14. Selanne
15. Datsyuk
 

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