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the when, the 'roll-in' schedule is also interesting to project
NOT (as asked) neccessarily NHL-ready, but joining the contracted NA pro pipeline

Next fall - Robertson (signed), Lundkvist, Pajuniemi(likely?), Skinner, Schneider (likely?) Sjalin (camp invite?)
fall '22- Henriksson, Cuylle, Vierling (they could sign and send back for overage season?), Garand, Jones(likely skip Sr year?) Ragnarsson(camp invite?)
'23 - Berard(likely skip Sr year?), some of Tarnstrom, Aaltonen, Edstrom, Cicc, Hughes, Kjellberg, Rempe (if signed then after overage season)
 
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I also want to mention that while uncommon, it wouldn't be totally unforseen for someone like Själin to be offered an ELC but decline the chance to sign and instead stay in the SHL. Some of these guys will have more realistic view about their chances to make the NHL and will value a regular role in their domestic league and potentially more money than a very small chance to ever see an NHL game. And playing in their domestic leagues in a regular capacity is a much better option than toiling in the AHL or even ECHL.
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Yes, specially for a player like Själin that have been unlucky with injuries the last years might be more patient with taking the jump to NA-hockey. It is'nt like he can never be a NHL player if he does not sign an ELC. If he becomes good enough to play in the NHL as a 24 year old he will get the chance somewhere.
 

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I think there is a bit of a risk to misjudge these kids based on the statsheet.

Ty Ronning was surely seen as a solid pick for a long time and had great stats, but there is a difference between junior hockey and pro hockey. He is 23 y/o and can’t stick in the AHL despite destroying the CHL.

It’s at that level these kids are playing from when they are 18. We can discuss which leagues are better, the SHL vs the AHL vs the KHL and so forth. They are different, but definitely fully comparable. The AHL got a really bad reputation in the hockey world, and much of it is deserved, but it’s a good crash course in NA hockey albeit nowadays not very much like the NHL. KHL got its issues and the SHL got its issues. But playing pro hockey is a big challenge.

With that said, it doesn’t change the fact that it takes doing really well to make it in the NHL. Few will pull that off.
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Ronning was a late 7th round pick, his only impressive stat was 61 goals in 70 games but it was his overage year and his 5th season in WHL and his assist production was terrible. He definitely wasn't the playmaker his father was who had 108 assists in 70 games in his 3rd and final season in WHL.

I doubted Ronning would develop into anything, but it was a late 7th round pick so whatever.
 
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Kakko Schmakko said:
Ronning was a late 7th round pick, his only impressive stat was 61 goals in 70 games but it was his overage year and his 5th season in WHL and his assist production was terrible. He definitely wasn't the playmaker his father was who had 108 assists in 70 games in his 3rd and final season in WHL.

I doubted Ronning would develop into anything, but it was a late 7th round pick so whatever.
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I knew yesterday's lottery numbers! Today.
 
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Fans complain about the Sean Day pick all the time but out of the 130 players drafted after Day, only Victor Mete, Jesper Bratt and Max Lajoie have played 50 NHL games 5 years later.

Man, why couldn't we pick one of those 3, right? :laugh:
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This is a blatant brag but I was hoping against hope that draft that Adam Fox would fall to our pick.

Would have saved us a couple second rounders in retrospect.
 
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Of the 2020's I think we can almost certainly expect the Rangers to sign Schneider and Cuylle soon. The rest are wait and see. Garand is with Hartford but not likely to play and Vierling hasn't played this year because the OHL hasn't opened. Berard's in college and won't be signed until he's ready to come out. The European players will remain with their European clubs at least until they've made enough progress to justify signing which they may or may not happen. Out of this draft I really like Lafreniere, Schneider, Cuylle, Garand, Berard and Vierling. I see Schneider arriving some time around 22-23 and Cuylle may get there with him or the season after.

Of the 2019's we of course have Kakko already. I'm very stoked about Matt Robertson as well. Karl Henriksson has an excellent pedigree--looked good at Traverse a year ago but has been struggling. He's a possibility for sure but hopefully he begins to figure out the SHL. I think he's at least 3 years away. Zac Jones could be a big deal though. He won't be signed until he's ready to leave college. I expect he'll play his junior year next year and then come out. Pierre was comparing him to Makar the other day. He is a Fox like player. Skinner is also a sleeper. I expect he'll be signed after this season and would put him as two/three years a way. Aaltonen has to get bigger and stronger and become more of a factor for his Liiga team. He's an outstanding skater. Edstrom is a sleeper in a Brian Boyle kind of way. I think the Rangers will sign him before his eligibility runs out in the hope he'll become a 4th liner type. Ciccolini is a sophomore in college and will probably play his 4 years there before the Rangers make a decision on him.

Of the 2018's--Lundkivst is the real deal and a sure bet to my eyes. He will be signed soon and IMO he's got the goods to make the Rangers out of camp next season. The rest of that group need to get better if they're going to be signed. The most intriguing is Pajuniemi who has become an offensive leader for his TPS team. He would need time in Hartford here probably to round out his game a bit. Ragnarsson may be more of a long term project---right now I don't see the Rangers signing him or Lindbom anytime soon. Kjellberg and Hughes are both college sophomores and IMO will need all 4 years before a decision is made on either.

Sjalin has become a decent SHL player. I think he's a victim of the numbers game at this point.
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2020:
1st- RD Braden Schneider: yes
2nd- LW Will Cuylle: seems likely
3rd- C Oliver Tarnstrom: too early
4th- G Dylan Garand: yes
5th- LW Brett Berard: seems likely
5th- C Evan Vierling: seems likely but early
6th- C Matthew Rempe: I have my doubts
7th- G Hugo Ollas: again, I have doubts but too early

2019:
2nd- C Karl Henrikkson: yes at the moment given that he was a 2nd; if he doesn't improve in the next two years it's a possible no
3rd- LD Zachary Jones: yes
4th- RD Hunter Skinner: yes
5th- LW Leevi Aaltonen: no
6th- C Adam Edstrom: would need to see some more substantial improvement
7th- RW Eric Ciccolini: trending positively

The Euros here we have until summer 2023 so we have plenty of time to evaluate them still.

2018:
1st- RD Nils Lundkvist: yes
2nd- G Olof Lindbom: not currently
3rd- LD Jacob Ragnarsson: no
5th- RW Lauri Pajuniemei: yes
6th- LD Simon Kjellberg: we'll have to see what he does next season
7th- RW Riley Hughes: trending positively

Lindbum and Ragnarsson we don't have to decide on until summer 2022. So they could conceivably turn it around.

2017:
5th- LD Calle Sjalin: I'd say there's like a 20% chance. I think he's unremarkable and AHL-quality but if a scout really likes him, maybe he signs.
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Thanks guys, I'm excited to see Nils, Schneider, Cuylle, Robertson, Berard, and others. Pretty cool, I live like 5-10 mins from Troy, where Simon Kjellberg plays for RPI. Thanks again.
 

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Of the 2020's I think we can almost certainly expect the Rangers to sign Schneider and Cuylle soon. The rest are wait and see. Garand is with Hartford but not likely to play and Vierling hasn't played this year because the OHL hasn't opened. Berard's in college and won't be signed until he's ready to come out. The European players will remain with their European clubs at least until they've made enough progress to justify signing which they may or may not happen. Out of this draft I really like Lafreniere, Schneider, Cuylle, Garand, Berard and Vierling. I see Schneider arriving some time around 22-23 and Cuylle may get there with him or the season after.

Of the 2019's we of course have Kakko already. I'm very stoked about Matt Robertson as well. Karl Henriksson has an excellent pedigree--looked good at Traverse a year ago but has been struggling. He's a possibility for sure but hopefully he begins to figure out the SHL. I think he's at least 3 years away. Zac Jones could be a big deal though. He won't be signed until he's ready to leave college. I expect he'll play his junior year next year and then come out. Pierre was comparing him to Makar the other day. He is a Fox like player. Skinner is also a sleeper. I expect he'll be signed after this season and would put him as two/three years a way. Aaltonen has to get bigger and stronger and become more of a factor for his Liiga team. He's an outstanding skater. Edstrom is a sleeper in a Brian Boyle kind of way. I think the Rangers will sign him before his eligibility runs out in the hope he'll become a 4th liner type. Ciccolini is a sophomore in college and will probably play his 4 years there before the Rangers make a decision on him.

Of the 2018's--Lundkivst is the real deal and a sure bet to my eyes. He will be signed soon and IMO he's got the goods to make the Rangers out of camp next season. The rest of that group need to get better if they're going to be signed. The most intriguing is Pajuniemi who has become an offensive leader for his TPS team. He would need time in Hartford here probably to round out his game a bit. Ragnarsson may be more of a long term project---right now I don't see the Rangers signing him or Lindbom anytime soon. Kjellberg and Hughes are both college sophomores and IMO will need all 4 years before a decision is made on either.

Sjalin has become a decent SHL player. I think he's a victim of the numbers game at this point.
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nyr2k2 said:
2020:
1st- RD Braden Schneider: yes
2nd- LW Will Cuylle: seems likely
3rd- C Oliver Tarnstrom: too early
4th- G Dylan Garand: yes
5th- LW Brett Berard: seems likely
5th- C Evan Vierling: seems likely but early
6th- C Matthew Rempe: I have my doubts
7th- G Hugo Ollas: again, I have doubts but too early

2019:
2nd- C Karl Henrikkson: yes at the moment given that he was a 2nd; if he doesn't improve in the next two years it's a possible no
3rd- LD Zachary Jones: yes
4th- RD Hunter Skinner: yes
5th- LW Leevi Aaltonen: no
6th- C Adam Edstrom: would need to see some more substantial improvement
7th- RW Eric Ciccolini: trending positively

The Euros here we have until summer 2023 so we have plenty of time to evaluate them still.

2018:
1st- RD Nils Lundkvist: yes
2nd- G Olof Lindbom: not currently
3rd- LD Jacob Ragnarsson: no
5th- RW Lauri Pajuniemei: yes
6th- LD Simon Kjellberg: we'll have to see what he does next season
7th- RW Riley Hughes: trending positively

Lindbum and Ragnarsson we don't have to decide on until summer 2022. So they could conceivably turn it around.

2017:
5th- LD Calle Sjalin: I'd say there's like a 20% chance. I think he's unremarkable and AHL-quality but if a scout really likes him, maybe he signs.
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Ok, so I went ahead, and did this, kind of a mock 2021-2022 roster, baring any trades of course, like DeAngelo or if we end up trading for someone at the deadline. Let me know what everyone thinks.

Ideal 2021-2022 New York Rangers Roster:

LW 20 Chris Kreider(2026-2027 UFA) – C 93 Mika Zibanejad(2021-2022 UFA) – RW 89 Pavel Buchnevich(2020-2021 RFA)
LW 10 Artemi Panarin(2025-2026 UFA) – C 16 Ryan Strome (2021-2022 UFA) – RW 24 Kaapo Kakko (2021-2022 RFA)
LW 13 Alexis Lafreniere (2022-2023 RFA) – C 72 Filip Chytil(2020-2021 RFA) – RW 12 Julien Gauthier(2020-2021 RFA)
LW 48 Brendan Lemieux(2021-2022 RFA) – C 21 Brett Howden(2020-2021 RFA) – RW 74 Vitali Kravtsov (2023-2024 RFA)

LD 55 Ryan Lindgren (2020-2021 RFA) – RD 23 Adam Fox (2021-2022 RFA)
LD 79 K’Andre Miller (2022-2023 RFA) – RD 8 Jacob Trouba (2025-2026 UFA)
LD 51 Tarmo Reunanen (2021-2022 RFA) – RD 64 Nils Lundkvist (2023-2024 RFA)
LD 57 Yegor Rykov (2020-2021 RFA) – RD 25 Libor Hajek (2020-2021 RFA)

G 31 Igor Shesterkin (2020-2021 RFA) – G 40 Alexandar Georgiev (2021-2022 RFA)

That’s 22/23 possible NHL spots

In The System:

LW --- Will Cuylle (2023-2024 RFA)
LW 26 Tim Gettinger (2020-2021 RFA)
C 17 Kevin Rooney (2021-2022 UFA)
C 47 Morgan Barron (2022-2023 RFA)
C 82 Patrick Khodorenko (2022-2023 RFA)
C 90 Justin Richards (2021-2022 RFA)
C 37 Gabriel Fontaine (2020-2021 RFA)
RW 85 Austin Rueschhoff (2021-2022 RFA)
RW 63 Jacob Elmer (2021-2022 RFA)
RW 59 Ty Ronning (2020-2021 RFA)
RW 28 Anthony Greco (2021-2022 UFA)
LD 97 Matthew Robertson (2022-2023 RFA)
LD 83 Calle Sjalin (2023-2024 RFA)
LD 46 Brandon Crawley (2020-2021 RFA)
LD 22 Anthony Bitetto (2021-2022 UFA)
RD --- Braden Schneider (2023-2024 RFA)
RD 53 Hunter Skinner (2023-2024 RFA)
RD 44 Darren Raddysh (2020-2021 RFA)
G 32 Adam Huska (2020-2021 RFA)
G 80 Tyler Wall (2021-2022 RFA)
G 71 Keith Kinkaid (2021-2022 UFA)

That’s 21 signed or RFAs that could be tendered, not including whoever gets picked in the expansion draft, or if we deal someone to get a Defenseman to be eligible to be exposed besides Bitetto, unless we can’t deal DeAngelo, then we expose him, once he goes unpicked, we buy him out.

Gives us a total of 43 Players signed, would be 42 with whoever is taken in Seattle Kraken expansion draft.

UFAs:
C 43 Colin Blackwell
C 76 Jonny Brodzinski
LD 42 Brendan Smith
LD 27 Jack Johnson

4 UFAs, any of them likely to be brought back? Blackwell & Brodzinski on minimum 2-way deals?

Unsigned Picks:
RW 67 Riley Hughes
RW 52 Eric Ciccolini
RW 56 Lauri Pajuniemi
C 84 Adam Edstrom
C 70 Karl Henriksson
C --- Oliver Tarnstrom
C --- Evan Vierling
C --- Matthew Rempe
LW --- Brett Berard
LW 83 Leevi Altonen
LD 54 Simon Kjellberg
LD 86 Zachary Jones
LD 91 Jacob Ragnarsson
G --- Dylan Garand
G 60 Olof Linbom
G --- Hugo Ollas

Here’s the 16 unsigned draft picks that would seem to not be signed for the 2021-2022 season according to you guys. Sjalin & Skinner need to be signed by June 1, 2021 according to CapFriendly.com, so I have both signed, but I know Sjalin needs to develop, so that one is up in the air. Of course this doesn’t include any draft picks for 2021, depending on how things progress this season, if we’re looking at a high pick, is it safe to assume a C is the top need, NHL ready C that is?
Also, could someone kindly point out the best draft sites, so I can better look up 2021 draft prospects. Thanks in advance.
 
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Ok, so I went ahead, and did this, kind of a mock 2021-2022 roster...
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nice effort
some quick conflicts i see with CF:
FYI Blackwell signed thru next season
PDG is '21 UFA
New York Rangers - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

unsure if Cuylle signing March 1 would be slide-eligible

just me:
i suspect Pajuniemi gets an ELC for next year,
(EliteProspects reports his contract expires
Lauri Pajuniemi at eliteprospects.com)

Rykov(QO/RFA), Sjalin(ELC) are unpredictable maybe's

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nice effort
some quick conflicts i see with CF:
FYI Blackwell signed thru next season
PDG is '21 UFA
New York Rangers - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

unsure if Cuylle signing March 1 would be slide-eligible

just me:
i suspect Pajuniemi gets an ELC for next year,
(EliteProspects reports his contract expires
Lauri Pajuniemi at eliteprospects.com)

Rykov(QO/RFA), Sjalin(ELC) are unpredictable maybe's

thanks
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Not relevant as Liiga falls under the transfer agreement for players under contract. This just means the NHL doesn't have to pay Liiga the transfer fee.

Pajuniemi and TPS expect him to sign this summer. Whether he reports to Hartford or goes to TPS on loan, we will see but I think he's a lock for sure to sign
 
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cwede said:
nice effort
some quick conflicts i see with CF:
FYI Blackwell signed thru next season
PDG is '21 UFA
New York Rangers - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

unsure if Cuylle signing March 1 would be slide-eligible

just me:
i suspect Pajuniemi gets an ELC for next year,
(EliteProspects reports his contract expires
Lauri Pajuniemi at eliteprospects.com)

Rykov(QO/RFA), Sjalin(ELC) are unpredictable maybe's

thanks
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Thanks, I misread that about Blackwell, and forgot PDG, feel like an idiot. If Pajuniemi also signed, we'd have 44 signed if Cuylle also signed.

So we'd be looking at something like this, excuse me but I love the business side of sports so I'm a bit OCD, also have it lol, but here's what I have now.

Ideal 2021-2022 New York Rangers Roster:

LW 20 Chris Kreider(2026-2027 UFA) – C 93 Mika Zibanejad(2021-2022 UFA) – RW 89 Pavel Buchnevich(2020-2021 RFA)
LW 10 Artemi Panarin(2025-2026 UFA) – C 16 Ryan Strome (2021-2022 UFA) – RW 24 Kaapo Kakko (2021-2022 RFA)
LW 13 Alexis Lafreniere (2022-2023 RFA) – C 72 Filip Chytil(2020-2021 RFA) – RW 12 Julien Gauthier(2020-2021 RFA)
LW 48 Brendan Lemieux(2021-2022 RFA) – C 21 Brett Howden(2020-2021 RFA) – RW 74 Vitali Kravtsov (2023-2024 RFA)

LD 55 Ryan Lindgren (2020-2021 RFA) – RD 23 Adam Fox (2021-2022 RFA)
LD 79 K’Andre Miller (2022-2023 RFA) – RD 8 Jacob Trouba (2025-2026 UFA)
LD 51 Tarmo Reunanen (2021-2022 RFA) – RD 64 Nils Lundkvist (2023-2024 RFA)
LD 57 Yegor Rykov (2020-2021 RFA) – RD 25 Libor Hajek (2020-2021 RFA)

G 31 Igor Shesterkin (2020-2021 RFA) – G 40 Alexandar Georgiev (2021-2022 RFA)

That’s 22/23 possible NHL spots

In The System:
LW --- Will Cuylle (2023-2024 RFA)
LW 26 Tim Gettinger (2020-2021 RFA)
C 17 Kevin Rooney (2021-2022 UFA)
C 47 Morgan Barron (2022-2023 RFA)
C 82 Patrick Khodorenko (2022-2023 RFA)
C 90 Justin Richards (2021-2022 RFA)
C 37 Gabriel Fontaine (2020-2021 RFA)
C 43 Colin Blackwell (2021-2022 RFA)
RW 85 Austin Rueschhoff (2021-2022 RFA)
RW 63 Jacob Elmer (2021-2022 RFA)
RW 59 Ty Ronning (2020-2021 RFA)
RW 28 Anthony Greco (2021-2022 UFA)
RW 56 Lauri Pajuniemi (2023-2024 RFA)
LD 97 Matthew Robertson (2022-2023 RFA)
LD 83 Calle Sjalin (2023-2024 RFA)
LD 46 Brandon Crawley (2020-2021 RFA)
LD 22 Anthony Bitetto (2021-2022 UFA)
RD --- Braden Schneider (2023-2024 RFA)
RD 53 Hunter Skinner (2023-2024 RFA)
RD 44 Darren Raddysh (2020-2021 RFA)
G 32 Adam Huska (2020-2021 RFA)
G 80 Tyler Wall (2021-2022 RFA)
G 71 Keith Kinkaid (2021-2022 UFA)

That’s 23 signed or RFAs that could be tendered, not including whoever gets picked in the expansion draft, or if we deal someone to get a Defenseman to be eligible to be exposed besides Bitetto, unless we can’t deal DeAngelo, then we expose him, once he goes unpicked, we buy him out.

Gives us a total of 44 Players signed, would be 43 with whoever is taken in Seattle Kraken expansion draft.

UFAs:
C 76 Jonny Brodzinski
RW 33 Phillip Di Giuseppe
LD 42 Brendan Smith
LD 27 Jack Johnson

4 UFAs, any of them likely to be brought back? PDG & Brodzinski on minimum 2-way deals?

Unsigned Picks:
RW 67 Riley Hughes
RW 52 Eric Ciccolini
C 84 Adam Edstrom
C 70 Karl Henriksson
C --- Oliver Tarnstrom
C --- Evan Vierling
C --- Matthew Rempe
LW --- Brett Berard
LW 83 Leevi Altonen
LD 54 Simon Kjellberg
LD 86 Zachary Jones
LD 91 Jacob Ragnarsson
G --- Dylan Garand
G 60 Olof Linbom
G --- Hugo Ollas

Here’s the 15 unsigned draft picks that would seem to not be signed for the 2021-2022 season according to you guys. Sjalin & Skinner need to be signed by June 1, 2021 according to CapFriendly.com, so I have both signed, but I know Sjalin needs to develop, so that one is up in the air. Of course this doesn’t include any draft picks for 2021, depending on how things progress this season, if we’re looking at a high pick, is it safe to assume a C is the top need, NHL ready C that is?

Also, it looks like if the cap stays flat at $81.5M, they'd have around $26,775,199 to spend, more if they could deal DeAngelo with either little salary retained, or if super lucky no salary retained. I know the most you can retain is 50%, so that's $2.4M more, making it $29,175,199 in cap space, I would guess Buch would cost $5.5M or around there, Igor, I'm not sure, but I imagine more than what Georgiev got for sure, hoping a long term deal, as for Lindgren, is the $4.8M DeAngelo a good number or too much, should they go more around like $2.5M a yr? Then we have Chytil, Gauthier, Howden all RFAs, and Hajek and Rykov, if they bring Rykov over. I'd imagine the RFAs in the minors would get the usual $700K to $750K 1yr deals.
 
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Really hard to ignore what this kid pajuniemi is doing over there in Finland.

top goal scorer in the league since the 19-20 season.
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Scored a nice goal today but the play by Pärssinen (46) in the corner to create separation contributes to the goal.



Here's a quote from my interview with him last summer:

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Right now there's really not an avenue for some players and I think Sjalin is one of those. If we're looking at left side defenseman he has Miller, Lindgren, Robertson, Jones, Hajek, Reunanen ahead of him and they are all young guys. There's also Rykov, Ragnarsson, Kjellberg and Crawley as other competition. This is partly why the Rangers decided not to sign Nico Gross who was a pretty decent prospect as well. The numbers sometimes just work against some players. That doesn't necessarily mean Sjalin will never get a chance at the NHL but I just don't see it happening with us.
 
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Själin only played six minutes, trying to find out why.

Henriksson finally got back in, but was the spare and only played 6 and change.

Lundkvist had 4 shots but no points in 25 minutes.

Edström had nothing in 13.

Pajuniemi had a goal in 18:34.

Nothing for Kravtsov.

2 shots for Rykov in 12 minutes.
 
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