Rangers Overtly Killing Lafreniere’s Career

[Dominance]

Listen, Lafreniere sucks right now and the Rangers are trying to compete. But there is no - zero - positive outcome that results from spending another another season getting 12-14 minutes a game in a grinding role on the third line, and he’s still a high-value asset. Whatever Laf is being told, it’s wrong - he doesn’t look at all like the player who won back-to-back CHL POY and was near-universally regarded as the most pro-ready prospect since Matthews. He isn’t playing the way he found so much success and he isn’t being put in positions to do so - for example, the kid was the perfect PP QB yet is basically used as a pilon by the Rangers.

Kreider and Panarin are locked in above him in the lineup and the Rangers have a blue chip LW prospect in Othmann. It is either blatant stupidity or an intentional effort to kill Lafreniere’s career to not trade him for someone who fits their team better at this point, to a team who will actually try to develop the player into a star.

Edit for the imbeciles: my ideal outcome here is this proves to be a jinx thread and Lafreniere become an Art Ross winner with the Rangers.

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[Trueblue30]

Kakko found himself , laf will too

I’m not worried anymore , Gallant knows what he is doing

 

[Sky04]

Listen, Lafreniere sucks right now and the Rangers are trying to compete. But there is no - zero - positive outcome that results from spending another another season getting 12-14 minutes a game in a grinding role on the third line, and he’s still a high-value asset. Whatever Laf is being told, it’s wrong - he doesn’t look at all like the player who won back-to-back CHL POY and was near-universally regarded as the most pro-ready prospect since Matthews. He isn’t playing the way he found so much success and he isn’t being put in positions to do so - for example, the kid was the perfect PP QB yet is basically used as a pilon by the Rangers.

Kreider and Panarin are locked in above him in the lineup and the Rangers have a blue chip LW prospect in Othmann. It is either blatant stupidity or an intentional effort to kill Lafreniere’s career to not trade him for someone who fits their team better at this point.

Of course there is, you're clueless.

Yes he was, he just sucked ass in them.

 

[a tribe cq]

as a rangers fan, im sure its an ‘intentional effort to kill his career’

 

[aufheben]

I mean he’s played like half his career in our top-six.

 

[ReddestRum]

LOL. Killing career? How old is Laf again?

 

[Rangerboy030]

Listen, Lafreniere sucks right now and the Rangers are trying to compete. But there is no - zero - positive outcome that results from spending another another season getting 12-14 minutes a game in a grinding role on the third line, and he’s still a high-value asset. Whatever Laf is being told, it’s wrong - he doesn’t look at all like the player who won back-to-back CHL POY and was near-universally regarded as the most pro-ready prospect since Matthews. He isn’t playing the way he found so much success and he isn’t being put in positions to do so - for example, the kid was the perfect PP QB yet is basically used as a pilon by the Rangers.

Kreider and Panarin are locked in above him in the lineup and the Rangers have a blue chip LW prospect in Othmann. It is either blatant stupidity or an intentional effort to kill Lafreniere’s career to not trade him for someone who fits their team better at this point, to a team who will actually try to develop the player into a star.

"The Rangers have too many good players so they should give away a 1st overall pick to someone else"

Back in your box.

 

[Dominance]

Yes he was, he just sucked ass in them.

Bullshit.

And either way, the asset-maximizing response isn’t to say, “Well he messed up his shot. Sucks for him!”

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Well he just watched Frost skate right past him to score as he stood there motionless so I'd say 3rd line sounds about right.

 

[Dominance]

"The Rangers have too many good players so they should give away a 1st overall pick to someone else"

Back in your box.

It’s a stretch to say Lafreniere’s even a good third liner at this point, and you should know that better than anyone. If the Rangers are looking to compete, then use his diminishing value to upgrade the position.

 

[Sky04]

Bullshit.

And either way, the asset-maximizing response isn’t to say, “Well he messed up his shot. Sucks for him!”

Clueless.

He'll get another shot and more opptunities, until then he has to show something.

 

[Dominance]

Well he just watched Frost skate right past him to score as he stood there motionless so I'd say 3rd line sounds about right.

That’s not what you want on your 3rd line, though. Did you read the premise of the thread?

 

[Rangerboy030]

It’s a stretch to say Lafreniere’s even a good third liner at this point, and you should know that better than anyone. If the Rangers are looking to compete, then use his diminishing value to upgrade the position.

Oh yes, I'm sure your motivation is the Rangers' competitiveness

 

[Dominance]

Clueless.

He'll get another shot and more opptunities, until then he has to show something.

Where’s that shot going to be? Why would the Rangers drop Panarin or Kreider down to facilitate it?

This player is not the Lafreniere I watched throughout junior. Not even close. If the Rangers want him to (maybe) develop into a nice defensively-responsible middle-six winger, then that’s their decision. I’d question their asset management at that point, though.

 

[Dominance]

Oh yes, I'm sure your motivation is the Rangers' competitiveness

I’m genuinely curious what you think my “motivation” is.

 

[Kane One]

That’s not what you want on your 3rd line, though. Did you read the premise of the thread?

So instead we should trade him (the premise of the thread) when his value is at an all time low, likely the lowest it will be for the rest of his career? Why would we do that? I’d rather take our chances. If it doesn’t work out and his career never takes off, why exactly should I care about him? His career after the Rangers is not my problem.

 

[93LEAFS]

Listen, Lafreniere sucks right now and the Rangers are trying to compete. But there is no - zero - positive outcome that results from spending another another season getting 12-14 minutes a game in a grinding role on the third line, and he’s still a high-value asset. Whatever Laf is being told, it’s wrong - he doesn’t look at all like the player who won back-to-back CHL POY and was near-universally regarded as the most pro-ready prospect since Matthews. He isn’t playing the way he found so much success and he isn’t being put in positions to do so - for example, the kid was the perfect PP QB yet is basically used as a pilon by the Rangers.

Kreider and Panarin are locked in above him in the lineup and the Rangers have a blue chip LW prospect in Othmann. It is either blatant stupidity or an intentional effort to kill Lafreniere’s career to not trade him for someone who fits their team better at this point, to a team who will actually try to develop the player into a star.

He got overhyped. If he was as pro-ready as Matthews, or close to as ready no coach in the world wouldn't have him in the top 6 of an NHL team. He's not really dynamic, or has a real trait that makes him stand out significantly compared to the highly hyped guys prior to him like Matthews, McDavid, MacKinnon and Eichel. All those guys had clear traits you could look at and say it easily projected into a top 5 or so trait in the league (Eichel and MacKinnon's Speed/Strength combo, Matthews size/hands/shot combo, McDavid's speed/hands combo). He relied heavily on strength in the Q, something which doesn't stand out at the NHL, so he lacks a way to create time and space at the NHL level.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That’s not what you want on your 3rd line, though. Did you read the premise of the thread?

You mean the false premise that he hasn't been given opportunities to play in the top 6 or on the PP?

He's not a top 6 LW NHL player at this point. So trading him wouldn't solve the issue of him playing on the third line.

 

[Dominance]

So instead we should trade him (the premise of the thread) when his value is at an all time low, likely the lowest it will be for the rest of his career? Why would we do that? I’d rather take our chances. If it doesn’t work out and his career never takes off, why exactly should I care about him? His career after the Rangers is not my problem.

Smells of sunk cost fallacy. The longer this level of play continues, the less the Rangers can point to his potential to entice other teams.

 

[dahrougem2]

I think if the Rangers would have traded Kreider, it would make sense to keep Lafreniere around.

However, if I'm the Rangers I'd be looking to move him to get help at other positions of need. I don't see a path towards success for him in the Big Apple.

 

[Kane One]

Smells of sunk cost fallacy. The longer this level of play continues, the less the Rangers can point to his potential to entice other teams.

You make it sound like there’s a 0% chance his play can rebound. People said the same thing about Kakko and now he’s looking great. It took long enough, and maybe it will Lafreniere just as long. I’m willing to wait.

 

[Dominance]

You mean the false premise that he hasn't been given opportunities to play in the top 6 or on the PP?

He's not a top 6 LW NHL player at this point. So trading him wouldn't solve the issue of him playing on the third line.

That’s not what I said at all. Those opportunities have came and went (I know he still plays PP2, but is deployed about as poorly as he could be on that unit). Could they come back? Maybe.

The premise is value maximization of the asset.

 

[Big Empty]

Gorton will scoop up his boy for a friends and family discount.

 

[QJL]

Listen, Lafreniere sucks right now and the Rangers are trying to compete. But there is no - zero - positive outcome that results from spending another another season getting 12-14 minutes a game in a grinding role on the third line, and he’s still a high-value asset. Whatever Laf is being told, it’s wrong - he doesn’t look at all like the player who won back-to-back CHL POY and was near-universally regarded as the most pro-ready prospect since Matthews. He isn’t playing the way he found so much success and he isn’t being put in positions to do so - for example, the kid was the perfect PP QB yet is basically used as a pilon by the Rangers.

Kreider and Panarin are locked in above him in the lineup and the Rangers have a blue chip LW prospect in Othmann. It is either blatant stupidity or an intentional effort to kill Lafreniere’s career to not trade him for someone who fits their team better at this point, to a team who will actually try to develop the player into a star.

Lafreniere is not on a grinding line. Lafreniere - Chytil - Gauthier is a line expected to create production.

Panarin, Kreider, and Kakko are not moving down. Panarin and Strome thrive with grinders. Lafreniere will benefit more without them learning to drive play. I also think it’s very possible he gets the right wall on the power play after Strome moves on.

As long as he ends up with avg 14-15 minutes by the end of the year, I’m good with that.

 

[ecemleafs]

Imo he doesn't exert himself enough. Way to much watching when he's on the ice.