Pre-Game Talk: Rangers @ Devils: G out, Kostgod in?
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Bacon Artemi Bravo
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Why you heff to copy my retirement joke bruh?
**** This lets get brian leetch back on the ice.
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Ragnarok14
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I don't think expecting a top ten pick to actually play in the NHL over 4 years after being drafted is impatient at all... I mean, I get your point on the 7th D argument, but if he's no better than Hunwick, that doesn't bode well either. It would be the perfect time to give him a shot with the slot in flux. It's October, what better time to see what we really actually have in McI.
Because losing games in October can be costly in April, or have you missed the past few years?
McIlrath is 22 years old. Large, mobile, D-Men take a long time to develop (See: Chris Pronger).
It's called patience. The Rangers knew it was going to take a while. The only reason McIlrath is slightly behind his original schedule is due to his injury troubles over the past few years. The concept of developing players on HF Boards seems to be incomprehensible unless that player is a 6th round pick.
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It's an 82 game season and hockey players get injured, so we'll probably see both McIlrath and Allen at one point or another. Girardi's day to day. We signed all these AHL+ guys (Hunwick, Kostka, Lombardi, Mueller) - they're further along in the development process, but they still want a chance to impress. It would make sense that they'd get first priority, especially since scratching them isn't really "ruining their development."
Kostka can't singlehandedly ruin the game of hockey two games in a row...right?
Kostka can't singlehandedly ruin the game of hockey two games in a row...right?
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If G is out, I'd pair Staal-McD, Moore-Klein, Hunwick-Costco. Play the **** out of Staal-McD 30 minutes, and try to shelter the third pair as much as possible. There's 3 days between games so Staal and McD will have plenty of time to recover.
Thirty One
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Maybe. I was talking about hockey. I know we're six games in and people are eager to draw conclusions from tiny samples, but two plays don't define his career.
YoSoyLalo
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Him sucking on other teams does
Somehow he always ends up at the top of the lineup
Like when he played with Phaneuf that one time
But yeah, he's ass and has always been ass
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If Girardi misses the game tomorrow, it will be only the 6th game in his last 8 seasons (including this season).
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YoSoyLalo
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I'd hazard a guess that he means his sample size is small because he doesn't get a lot of games because he sucks ass.
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Well I've never won the lottery, and am making no claim of clairvoyance , but I've heard the same thing about McIlwait many times. " he is almost there". " just give him some more time, big D take longer to develop." " don't worry, he will make it soon, besides who needs guys like Fowler or Tarasenko when we've got a Pronger-Beukeboom type Almost Ready! "
I imagine it has something to do with Vigneault and how he conducts his business. Players respect him because he exhausts all opportunities w/ the established guys.
Can any of us have imagined that he would have stuck w/ Pyatt and Pouloit as long as he did last year? Pouloit was about 1 more bad game away from being cut.
I don't think it is necessarily an indictment on McIlrath.
Although, and here is the final and probably most important hitch that will stand in his way... McIlrath's inability to play a transition game.
In any event - I imagine that they prioritized the fundamentals with McI - sound positioning and decision making. This year will probably be re-enforcing those keys, as well as hopefully improving his passing in transition.
Well I've never won the lottery, and am making no claim of clairvoyance , but I've heard the same thing about McIlwait many times. " he is almost there". " just give him some more time, big D take longer to develop." " don't worry, he will make it soon, besides who needs guys like Fowler or Tarasenko when we've got a Pronger-Beukeboom type Almost Ready! "
I can relate to your frustration. Whether you choose to look at any prospect, glass half empty or glass half full is your own prerogative.
In all likelihood, the vast majority of prospects fail. In which case, realistically speaking, you can point and allude to any prospect as they are developing, predict that they will fail, and have a probability of being correct.
It is my opinion, and let me stress opinion, that McI will eventually crack our line up and become as effective as Douglas Murray in his prime - an excellent shut down 2nd pairing guy who is tough as nails and sticks up for his team mates relentlessly.
I'm entitled to it, as you are to yours.
But condemning someone because you're too narrow minded to even admit the possibility of something else... well that is what I responded to.
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And not for nothing, but the "it takes them a long time to develop" thing is actually another point in the cons column for a draft pick like that in my opinion. Way too much opportunity for something to go wrong in development, and/or for the organization to get impatient, move him, and to subsequently watch him have success elsewhere. Just a very hard pick to defend from day one, and it gets harder every passing day.
As far as Kostka is concerned, the upside is that he cannot possible play worse than he has so far. That said, it is crazy to me that he's the best available taxi squad vet. Really hope he doesn't have to suit up for the Rangers ever again.
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