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Let's say for argument sake you are B.Goodenow what is your next move? How long can you wait before returning to the negociation table? What leverage do you have if any? What is your "end game" ?
OTTSENS said:Let's say for argument sake you are B.Goodenow what is your next move? How long can you wait before returning to the negociation table? What leverage do you have if any? What is your "end game" ?
AlexandreDaigle said:Honestly, there is little to no end game.
Goodenow counted on the owners folding under the pressure of a deadline or their unity collapsing.
Now he is counting on the owners to fold under the pressure of a deadline (for ticketholders, the draft, the start of the season.... or the cancellation date of 2006 ( )) or their unity collapsing.
Basically the endgame can be summed up in one word:
Attrition
The only actual tactical endgame would be if the NHL does something the NHLPA feels it can take to the NLRB or to the courts.
OTTSENS said:Let's say for argument sake you are B.Goodenow what is your next move? How long can you wait before returning to the negociation table? What leverage do you have if any? What is your "end game" ?
NO CBA .. NO Draftme2 said:The old CBA is still sort of in effect except the no strike/lockout clause is lifted.
The NHL might try and run the draft as per normal. QO might be issued. Who knows.....
Russian Fan said:Some people look the NFL 1985 case but those who look back know that the NFL did the ''scab'' thing because they each receive 20,000,000$ from the TV which is.....................20,000,000$ more than the NHL.
The Messenger said:NO CBA .. NO Draft
All sides have confirmed that many times .. Its illegal and the CSB even said it will not happen..
You can't conduct business while in lockout status ..that effects the party you have locked out ..
The Messenger said:NO CBA .. NO Draft
The Messenger said:NO CBA .. NO Draft
All sides have confirmed that many times .. Its illegal and the CSB even said it will not happen..
You can't conduct business while in lockout status ..that effects the party you have locked out ..
There's a big difference between local TV contracts (negotiated by the team for their local market only) and a national TV contract (negotiated by the league for all teams). The national only TV contract works very well for the NFL given the few number of games each team plays.dakota said:What is the value of all the local TV Hockey Revenue for each team? I did hear that the Maple Leafs have local TV contracts with TSN, Sportsnet worth a lot (2o million), Ottawa like 5 million etc., Vancouver 10 million?
Also I am sure Hockey Night In Canada pays the NHL big money to broadcast... could the teams not share all this revenue in the "new" NHL with replacement players. I am sure the Rangers have a more lucrative Tv contract than the Edmonton Oilers?...
Either way if replacement players come in, I will be cheering for the Vancouver Canucks and I am sure many will be watching and going to games... we love hockey in Canada its an event the NHL... I think the new NHL would share revenues during this short period to ensure the "less successful" markets are compensated.
dakota said:but if there is and impasse declared and the owners win... they get to a new CBA... the players strike.. owners hold their draft...
is this not correct? if the players are striking their can still be a draft no?
The scab thing is dangerous.Russian Fan said:Like I said, if they have scabs , will I watch it on TV ? Of course I like hockey.
BUT WILL I PAY FOR IT ? my answer is HELL NO. There's a huge difference between paying & watching scabs and as of today some didn't see the difference.
Of course 95% of the pro-owners will watch scabs but I think it's hypocretical to think some will pay 50-60$ for the good seat in your arena near you to see THE ''LOGO'' & THE ''JERSEY'' of your team.
watching Lonny Bohonos pass to Clarke Wilm is not quite the same as Sundin to Mogilny and ratings/attendance will drop.
I think it's because he has a funny name. Although Van Buskirk is kinda funny too.chiavsfan said:Why does everyone use Lonny Bohonos in their rants about replacement players. I like Lonny...John Van Buskirk on the other hand...
alexmorrison said:The scab thing is dangerous.
I think it will be popular for a month or so in the big hockey markets as everybody will be exicted to have hockey back. However after a month, I think we'll all quickly realize that watching Lonny Bohonos pass to Clarke Wilm is not quite the same as Sundin to Mogilny and ratings/attendance will drop.
Now, in the struggling hockey markets, good luck getting anybody out to the games. If they weren't coming before, they sure as hell ain't coming to see replacements.
ceber said:Simple solution:
Step 1) End the lockout.
Step 2) Hold a draft.
Step 3) Lock out the players.
The scab thing is dangerous, but something of note...the guys who don't make alot of $$$ play their guts out, and usually offer more entertaining hockey. They have the carrott dangled in front of them that if you play well, you will make more $$$. The established stars of the game that are already making the big $$$ quite often take nights off and do not entertain the way the grinders and muckers do...When watching the NHL some nights I am quite often very dissappointed with Jagr,Modano,Kovalev etc float and not put forth the effort of a Steve Begin or Lonny Bohonos...I think once the boys have made it and they have become fat cat PA mongers, who make multi-millions they don't have the passion or motivation any longer and it shows in their play...The big money earners have quite often forgot about the fans, and that they owe it to the fans to play their heart out night after night in order to be able to collect that Million dollar paycheck...Replacement players will not be as talented, until one of the BOYS from the rich hockey players of NA cross like Elway and Montana did, and then she is all over for Knob Goodenow and Saskin Robbins...and it will look good on them...alexmorrison said:The scab thing is dangerous.
I think it will be popular for a month or so in the big hockey markets as everybody will be exicted to have hockey back. However after a month, I think we'll all quickly realize that watching Lonny Bohonos pass to Clarke Wilm is not quite the same as Sundin to Mogilny and ratings/attendance will drop.
Now, in the struggling hockey markets, good luck getting anybody out to the games. If they weren't coming before, they sure as hell ain't coming to see replacements.
Leverage? How about these presssure points? The players have already lost this season's salaries so there is little pressure on them to get a deal done now. The owners on the other hand:OTTSENS said:Let's say for argument sake you are B.Goodenow what is your next move? How long can you wait before returning to the negociation table? What leverage do you have if any? What is your "end game" ?
You can be certain the TV networks will not be broadcasting the SHL at the same price they broadcast the NHL. It is not the same product.dakota said:What is the value of all the local TV Hockey Revenue for each team? I did hear that the Maple Leafs have local TV contracts with TSN, Sportsnet worth a lot (2o million), Ottawa like 5 million etc., Vancouver 10 million?
Also I am sure Hockey Night In Canada pays the NHL big money to broadcast... could the teams not share all this revenue in the "new" NHL with replacement players. I am sure the Rangers have a more lucrative Tv contract than the Edmonton Oilers?...
Either way if replacement players come in, I will be cheering for the Vancouver Canucks and I am sure many will be watching and going to games... we love hockey in Canada its an event the NHL... I think the new NHL would share revenues during this short period to ensure the "less successful" markets are compensated.
Simple solution:ceber said:Simple solution:
Step 1) End the lockout.
Step 2) Hold a draft.
Step 3) Lock out the players.