Puzzling challenge by Jared Bednar and co.

[Filthy Dangles]

I don't really understand this challenge for missed game stoppage for hand pass, one of the worse challenges i can recall.

Seems like he and his staff/video coach didn’t really know hand pass rule? Player has to direct or play puck with their hand, it’s not clear if it even touched Trocheck’s hand, but its obviously clear he didn’t play it with the hand. Don't think even massive COL homers could claim he did.

Rangers had just made it 2-1 on another Powerplay but couldn't make them pay on the bonus PP so ultimately it didn't have much impact on game but a really bad challenge

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[Megustaelhockey]

It was dumb but ultimately did not affect the outcome of this game.

 

[CaptainShark]

Indeed puzzling. The only explanation is that the Avs are clearly tanking.

 

[Jauffre]

You wouldn't even know this happened if you watched the Avs postgame, they spent 10 minutes crying about MacKinnon not getting an assist to continue the streak. They just, kept on going on about it. Even said they'd all "do their part" in petitioning the league to review it.

You'd never know the rest of an actual hockey game played out. The Avs PBP/color guys also thought this would be called back, shocker!

 

[Three On Zero]

The way Trochek jumped to the side, you could almost assume the puck redirected off his hand on a quick look at the play. Still not sure I would try and challenge that though.

Think Bednar thought Trochek used his hand to direct the puck over

 

[IamNotADancer]

According to Avs commentators there was "enough to overturn the goal".

Watch the official NHL.com highlights and hear them yap about how they believe this goal would be overturned.
Quite embarrassing .

 

[Kane One]

The way Trochek jumped to the side, you could almost assume the puck redirected off his hand on a quick look at the play. Still not sure I would try and challenge that though.

Think Bednar thought Trochek used his hand to direct the puck over

It doesn’t matter if it hit his hand, though. Handpasses are with an open-gloved hand.

 

[LOFIN]

You wouldn't even know this happened if you watched the Avs postgame, they spent 10 minutes crying about MacKinnon not getting an assist to continue the streak. They just, kept on going on about it. Even said they'd all "do their part" in petitioning the league to review it.

You'd never know the rest of an actual hockey game played out. The Avs PBP/color guys also thought this would be called back, shocker!

What the f*** are you talking about? How is that related to this situation?

The post game talk was obviously about the fact that the Avs game tying goal should've been awarded to Rantanen, not Toews (because own goal). And thus resulted in a MacKinnon point.

 

[Three On Zero]

It doesn’t matter if it hit his hand, though. Handpasses are with an open-gloved hand.

This is the rule? I think

79.1 Hand Pass – A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the Referee, he has directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage

I think Bednar was going for the angle described at the end of it, just with a closed hand instead of open

 

[olli]

I don't really understand this challenge for missed game stoppage for hand pass, one of the worse challenges i can recall.

Seems like he and his staff/video coach didn’t really know hand pass rule? Player has to direct or play puck with their hand, it’s not clear if it even touched Trocheck’s hand, but its obviously clear he didn’t play it with the hand. Don't think even massive COL homers could claim he did.

Rangers had just made it 2-1 on another Powerplay but couldn't make them pay on the bonus PP so ultimately it didn't have much impact on game but a really bad challenge

Didn’t make sense to me either even though the avs homer commentators were convinced it wasn’t a good goal lol. I usually don’t cheer for the rangers but I was hoping the goal would be good to hear the commentators reactions.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

According to Avs commentators there was "enough to overturn the goal".

Watch the official NHL.com highlights and hear them yap about how they believe this goal would be overturned.
Quite embarrassing .

Avs commentators aren't to be taken serious.

 

[WhataKnight]

You wouldn't even know this happened if you watched the Avs postgame, they spent 10 minutes crying about MacKinnon not getting an assist to continue the streak. They just, kept on going on about it. Even said they'd all "do their part" in petitioning the league to review it.

You'd never know the rest of an actual hockey game played out. The Avs PBP/color guys also thought this would be called back, shocker!

Altitude Sports in a nutshell.

 

[Jauffre]

What the f*** are you talking about? How is that related to this situation?

The post game talk was obviously about the fact that the Avs game tying goal should've been awarded to Rantanen, not Toews (because own goal). And thus resulted in a MacKinnon point.

It's a pivotal moment in the game worth discussing after the game's over, yet the immediate portion of the Avs' post-game talk was about MacK not getting a point, annoyingly so.

And I circled back to this moment and how that same crew (PBP/CC specifically) thought THIS goal would be overturned. I'm shitting on the Avs' crew in this thread homie, make no mistake. But it's not that hard to connect the dots.

This is a good goal. This is a bad challenge, etc. are you happy that I'm strictly on topic? Go back to the Rangers board if you're gonna police fellow fans on the mains like a mall cop

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I was convinced they were going to find a way to call that no goal because the situation room always finds a way to make the wrong call.

There was nothing there and it was a bad challenge.

 

[ijuka]

You wouldn't even know this happened if you watched the Avs postgame, they spent 10 minutes crying about MacKinnon not getting an assist to continue the streak. They just, kept on going on about it. Even said they'd all "do their part" in petitioning the league to review it.

You'd never know the rest of an actual hockey game played out. The Avs PBP/color guys also thought this would be called back, shocker!

Are they aware that own goals never have assists?

The way Trochek jumped to the side, you could almost assume the puck redirected off his hand on a quick look at the play. Still not sure I would try and challenge that though.

Think Bednar thought Trochek used his hand to direct the puck over

It did redirect off his hand, indeed.

Doesn't make it a hand pass.

 

[Three On Zero]

Are they aware that own goals never have assists?


It did redirect off his hand, indeed.

Doesn't make it a hand pass.

I don’t think it was either, but I can tell why he chanced it

 

[IamNotADancer]

Avs commentators aren't to be taken serious.

I've heard of their bias but never bothered to watch a Denver home feed. I watched the 3rd on the home feed and holy moly... I feel bad for Avs fans.

 

[AD Skinner]

Looks like the puck did hit hand but also hit the shaft of the stick, no way you could truly tell which influenced the motion most

 

[gimbznyr]

You wouldn't even know this happened if you watched the Avs postgame, they spent 10 minutes crying about MacKinnon not getting an assist to continue the streak. They just, kept on going on about it. Even said they'd all "do their part" in petitioning the league to review it.

You'd never know the rest of an actual hockey game played out. The Avs PBP/color guys also thought this would be called back, shocker!

That entire broadcast is a joke.

 

[HolyHagelin]

What the f*** are you talking about? How is that related to this situation?

The post game talk was obviously about the fact that the Avs game tying goal should've been awarded to Rantanen, not Toews (because own goal). And thus resulted in a MacKinnon point.

When an opposing player plays the puck last there is no assist

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah that’s not a goal that could be overturned by any reasonable interpretation of the rulebook. Strange challenge.

What the f*** are you talking about? How is that related to this situation?

The post game talk was obviously about the fact that the Avs game tying goal should've been awarded to Rantanen, not Toews (because own goal). And thus resulted in a MacKinnon point.

What are they talking about? The goal was unassisted, MacKinnon wasn’t getting a point regardless of who it was awarded to.

 

[ToDavid]

I don’t really get the issue with the challenge.

Yes, the rule book suggests there’s some element of intent behind a hand pass, but in my entire life I’ve never seen it actually called that way. Play is always stopped if the puck touches the glove and goes to a teammate. Looks like they couldn’t definitely conclude the puck hit the glove vs the arm. But it’s a fine challenge.

 

[Ceremony]

Yeah that’s not a goal that could be overturned by any reasonable interpretation of the rulebook. Strange challenge.




What are they talking about? The goal was unassisted, MacKinnon wasn’t getting a point regardless of who it was awarded to.

It was unassisted because it was an own goal. MacKinnon passed to Toews who took the shot which was saved/blocked, and it looked like Rantanen might have put it in.

 

[Levitate]

I don’t really get the issue with the challenge.

Yes, the rule book suggests there’s some element of intent behind a hand pass, but in my entire life I’ve never seen it actually called that way. Play is always stopped if the puck touches the glove and goes to a teammate. Looks like they couldn’t definitely conclude the puck hit the glove vs the arm. But it’s a fine challenge.

When it’s a shot and the guy doesn’t make any kind of motion at the puck like he’s trying to purposefully direct the puck with his hand then I don’t think it’s any different than the puck deflecting off a players body
If Trochek had reached out while trying to deflect the puck and “punched” it, intentional or not, and it went to Kreider then yeah that’s a hand pass

 

[tarheelhockey]

It was unassisted because it was an own goal. MacKinnon passed to Toews who took the shot which was saved/blocked, and it looked like Rantanen might have put it in.

Right, so it doesn’t matter whether Rantanen touched it or not. What are they even asking the league to change?

Edit: I guess they were saying it wasn’t an own goal at all? Do we have a clear angle on that?

I don’t really get the issue with the challenge.

Yes, the rule book suggests there’s some element of intent behind a hand pass, but in my entire life I’ve never seen it actually called that way. Play is always stopped if the puck touches the glove and goes to a teammate.

Play is never stopped when the puck just randomly bounces off a glove. There has to be some element of intent, or at least a motion being made by the player. In this case he was just standing there with his hands on his stick when the puck incidentally hit him.