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I think preseason has minimal weight but that's it. Like a few years ago we looked like ass from preseason to the end of the first month of the season. But other than that it isn't too indicative
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Diaz is not going to push us into the Stanley cup finals, both can play serviceable as the #6 dman but Mci can possibly continue to get better and he a big part of the team for the next decade. Diaz..well you know what you are getting and he's not going to improve anymore. And the team is lacking a very physical defensemen and has more than enough offensive defensemen. If we need one that bad we can always call up Bodie.
It's for rookies to find out what it's like to play against NHL quality players and NHL quality teams.
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Dude, we were so ass, everyone was that one year for the pre and 1st month, but that's why I said it's minimal because we ironed it out!
It was a brand new system for us at that point.
We transitioned from Torts to AV
That's like switching from Cable to DirecTV. It's gonna take you a while to find out where all the channels are.
I remember when Sauer made the team a few years back. A lot of folks (myself included) thought he was down the road before camp even started. Then he shocked everyone. Torts made a point of it more than once.
McI's camp this year reminds me of that a bit. For sometime I've been saying that if McI can give this team a more physically intimidating Mike Sauer, then the Rangers hit the jackpot.
McI's camp this year reminds me of that a bit. For sometime I've been saying that if McI can give this team a more physically intimidating Mike Sauer, then the Rangers hit the jackpot.
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That's what I 'm saying but like every off season people are rusty and chances are they're rusty
KOVALEV022473
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Who is asking you to blindly hype him or justify the pick? Can you name even one person here who's doing that? It was a bad pick. But we can't change it, so you move on and look at what's there now. And the guy's made nice strides and could be a solid player going forward.
Personally, if I'm looking at any one thing that's impressed me, it's his demeanor right now. Where he was picked, and the time it took to develop, puts an awful lot of weight on a young kid. Right now, he looks like he's settled down, is just playing his game and he's showing some poise, which is good to see because he's still only 23.
As far as Diaz's ability to put up points, he's 29, has scored 8 total goals in his career, and averages 10 assists per season. Let's not confuse him with Ray Bourque
By the simple fact that you're responding to this post from three pages back is evidence enough of you trying to justify it. And your basis, three preseason games. Additionally, your attempt to make me look so far out of touch with that ridiculous comparison to Ray Borque. I don't know if you realize it, but it is Diaz and Mcllrath competing for the same spot. The the comparison between one another is appropriate.
Again, I find myself in the unenviable position of disparaging Dylan when that was never my intention. It was more of a self defending argument directed at those who levied attacks against my opinion.
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Admittedly, its just speculation. But I definitely feel that its more than this unfortunately.
I am sure this has been an ongoing issue that must have been on the table when we moved Hagelin too, without any doubt Klein's name was also discussed at that point because he was the only reasonable option to move besides Hagelin.
But AV wants to keep Klein. And I mean, its not like I don't understand him. We all know how extremely small marginals there are when we are in action during the POs. We cannot have anyone folding at that point. I just don't at all think AV is keen on making a change to his blueline. He is looking at this spring. We have a good shot at the cup and its his job to get it. Who would want to make a change to the blueline now? Given that Girardi is vulnerable to injuries and Boyle is as old as he is, having depth is only good.
But sometimes you end up in situations like this. Especially with certain coaches who maybe don't take that active part in the management aspect of it. Because from the organizational point of view, there is no option to snooze McIlrath. We can't sit him in the stands until January-Februray, or for the whole season, or however long it will take before a RD is hurt. The kid if anyone needs to play. If we are keeping Yandle, Klein is in all likelihood lost in 9 months as a cap-causality, as is Boyle. That is two holes on the blue-line that must be filled, with very little cap-room. McIlrath is coming along tremendously well the last year. There is zero reason to expect him to stop developing now, he is close now and will be better in 3/6/12 months 2/3/4 years time. We can expect improvement on a regular basis, and a lot of it too to be honest.
Gorton is in charge of this. The best move for the organization is undoubtedly to replace Klein now and Boyle next summer while resigning Yandle ASAP.
Agreed, he seems to grow into the system nicely unlike Etem who i think came here thinking he was a lock. Too much posing with puppies and not enough focus on what was at hand
He's been in constant communication with the coaches asking them what he needs to do to make this team and whatever his role is he will do it.
He has a life outside of hockey, as do all the players. His just happens to be on Instagram.
Not a big deal
Him and his puppy would both be in CT in a perfect world. Now, instead of him getting better while playing top minutes he will (or should) be wearing a suot and sitting in the press box
Someone mentioned the idea of a Swedish line of Stalberg-Lindberg-Fast as a 3rd or 4th line.
I think there is a strong possibility that somewhere around game 20 this line is experimented with and there's a good chance it could stick if they show some chemistry
Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello
Kreider-Stepan-Miller
Hayes-Moore-Etem
Stalberg-Lindberg-Fast
Glass/Stoll
With Stalberg having essentially made the team, Etem being in the top 12 due to the downpayment we made on him with the departure of Hagelin, Lindberg apparently being a lock to make the team, I don't see where Stoll fits in the top 12.
Thoughts?
I think the top 12 on this team is good enough to not have a 4th line. We have the talent and skill to roll out two 3rd lines.
Line 1: 17 minutes
Line 2: 17 minutes
Line 3: 13 minutes
Line 4: 13 minutes
I think there is a strong possibility that somewhere around game 20 this line is experimented with and there's a good chance it could stick if they show some chemistry
Nash-Brassard-Zuccarello
Kreider-Stepan-Miller
Hayes-Moore-Etem
Stalberg-Lindberg-Fast
Glass/Stoll
With Stalberg having essentially made the team, Etem being in the top 12 due to the downpayment we made on him with the departure of Hagelin, Lindberg apparently being a lock to make the team, I don't see where Stoll fits in the top 12.
Thoughts?
I think the top 12 on this team is good enough to not have a 4th line. We have the talent and skill to roll out two 3rd lines.
Line 1: 17 minutes
Line 2: 17 minutes
Line 3: 13 minutes
Line 4: 13 minutes
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haveandare
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I disagree. Can't afford to think and act that way for a third consecutive season. The team with the best roster and plan isn't a sure thing to win the cup. Look at last year - planned well, had nice depth all over, lost 3 dmen and Zucc by the ecf. There's a lot of luck involved in winning the cup. To me, going for broke the last two years isn't a luxury we can afford again this year. We have a new gm, we have young talent pushing, we have parts of our core that are aging and slipping in play quality... we can't go all in again without any care for the future at all. It's too much. Gotta strike a balance between being poised to win a cup and slowly adding in cheap youth.
That's fair and I'd agree with you if Henrik Lundqvist wasn't turning 34. We need to put the best possible team on the ice in front of him every year.
I'd also agree with you if McIlrath was anything close to a sure thing, but he's fighting for the 7th.
I'd also agree with you if we weren't cup contenders for 2016.
But all of those things are true. Hank is 34, McIlrath is a question mark, and we're not the New Jersey Devils. We have a realistic chance to win the Stanley Cup. A calculated risk type of chance.
When you have a realistic chance to win it all you put your best foot forward and put the best 23 guys, who can fit under the cap, on the ice, regardless of age.
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haveandare
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Your basis for Diaz bringing offense is essentially one preseason game where he scored 2 pp goals, 1 on a two man advantage.
He has a long resume and it's not full of points. He's not a scoring d man, he's a backup guy who can move the puck decently in small spurts.
When you share an opinion, sometimes people don't agree. It's not an attack its discussion and it's exactly what this site exists for.
haveandare
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We're not going to be able to put anything decent in front of him in 2-3 years time if we keep going for broke every year like this. Well also be creating a situation where our next goalie, even if they end up being someone very talented, is going to have crap in front of them for a long time, including key development years.
He's a rookie so he's not going to be a sure thing period. I'm not saying move Klein for him today, but they should keep McI and play him when possible, and if he shows he can handle 6D duties well they should shop Klein in time. That's walking the line between today and tomorrow.
And tell TB, CHI, ANA etc that they're contenders and don't need to build for the future because I don't think they got that memo.
Building for the future comes 2nd.
Yes, we have to continue to scout well, bring in young players, and make a general attempt to get younger. But all of that comes 2nd for us. That's the situation we are fortunate enough to be in.
When making decisions on the 2016 roster, the decision should come down to this question. Which player gives us the best chance to win the Stanley Cup in 2016? Whatever the answer to that question is should be the guy who makes the team.
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