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Raab

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The fact is you have proven to be a very poor judge of the abilities of young Dmen. You can’t have an opinion on Nurse because you have the most obvious bias against him ever. I actually shouldn’t say that, you can have whatever opinion you want, doesn’t mean anyone has to respect it or take it seriously.

Actually Ive only been wrong about one young dman taken in the top 10 so far, Reinhart. I didnt see the bus around Ryan Murray and had Reilly as my top defensive prospect. Ive been right about a lot of other young star dmen like Provorov, Sergachev, Morrissey, Pulock, Ristolainen, Klefbom, etc.... Im sure Ill be able to add Hughes and Dobson to the list as well in a few years time.
 

Bryanbryoil

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The PK lapse was because he hesitated and was unsure of what to do. He knows how to PK he just goofed up.

I’m not trying to say he doesn’t have an amazing first pass, he also has a wicked shot. But a defenseman in the NHL needs to be better at defense than he is currently or he will get eaten alive.

This is why he shouldn't be rushed if he doesn't show much improvement between now and game 1 of the season. He'll be a stud D for us, it just might not be this season.
 

Bryanbryoil

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If this is going to delve into another thread where one person feels the need to crucify Nurse because once upon a time he used to take runs at guys while in the OHL and then everyone else feels the need to shout it down there will be thread bans handed out. This is getting almost as tired as the Hall/Larsson and fire Chia crap. Nurse signed for a reasonable deal and will play a big part on our team this year with Sekera out.
 
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Raab

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The PK lapse was because he hesitated and was unsure of what to do. He knows how to PK he just goofed up.

I’m not trying to say he doesn’t have an amazing first pass, he also has a wicked shot. But a defenseman in the NHL needs to be better at defense than he is currently or he will get eaten alive.

So the question becomes why did he hesitate? To me its a clear sign of a player learning a system.
 

Raab

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Agreed.



Defensively and his passing around and behind the net left a lot to be desired, he gave Nurse a number of grenades last night, passes when he had a man on him, etc. His transitional and offensive game are top notch, no doubt about it. It's the rest that we need to see improvement in if he wants to stick this season.



I tend to agree although Nurse wan't at his best last night either.



Agreed, like I said above, Bouchard gave Nurse some grenades out there too, "here's the puck, it's your problem now".



Time and experience is where it's at, it will all depend on his learning curve.



I tend to agree if he doesn't improve much from the last game in those areas.



He is but why do you always have to crap on Nurse? It's beyond tiring and seems like all you want to do is ***** and moan about one of our most important players.

Its hardly crapping on Nurse. How many other top 10 picks have we used on dmen that youd like me to compare him to? I also said Schultz in this thread. Could also use Petry. Im using examples of players Oiler fans know.
 

Spawn

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It’s good to get taste. You can’t know what you need to work on until you experience it.
First rounders all around the league get sent down without 9 game stints every year. How do they all manage to develop? This team isn't nearly good enough to afford to ice a player that will actively hurt us, just so he can get a taste. Bouchard is going to get more than enough of a taste based on pre-season games and practice to get an idea of what he needs to work on to get better.
 
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So the question becomes why did he hesitate? To me its a clear sign of a player learning a system.

No it’s a clear sign of a player either lacking experience at this level or him simply making a mistake. Had nothing to do with “the system”. If he can’t grasps the basics of PKing as you suggest then he is clearly not ready for the NHL full time.

You’d be better off saying he simply made an error than saying he is having issues adjusting to NHL systems.
 
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First rounders all around the league get sent down without 9 game stints every year. How do they all manage to develop? This team isn't nearly good enough to afford to ice a player that will actively hurt us, just so he can get a taste. Bouchard is going to get more than enough of a taste based on pre-season games and practice to get an idea of what he needs to work on to get better.

I agree that if his game doesn’t improve from last night then a 9 game stint isn’t warranted. I am willing to give him a few more games though and not judge his entire preseason off of one game and three or four plays during that game.
 
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Bryanbryoil

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First rounders all around the league get sent down without 9 game stints every year. How do they all manage to develop? This team isn't nearly good enough to afford to ice a player that will actively hurt us, just so he can get a taste. Bouchard is going to get more than enough of a taste based on pre-season games and practice to get an idea of what he needs to work on to get better.

Agreed. If there is a reasonable trade for Faulk on the table and Bouchard doesn't have a much better showing next game, I pull the trigger. At this point I pull the trigger regardless, we need someone ready to play top 4 minutes and the quicker we get Faulk integrated into the lineup the quicker he gains chemistry with the group.
 

Bryanbryoil

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Its hardly crapping on Nurse. How many other top 10 picks have we used on dmen that youd like me to compare him to? I also said Schultz in this thread. Could also use Petry. Im using examples of players Oiler fans know.

In your opinion, you have such a strong dislike for the player that you probably do so subconsciously.
 

nexttothemoon

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Bouchard is already as good as Faulk defensively... so anyone wanting to trade for Faulk and watch him lay eggs in the Oilers dzone while occasionally helping on the PP... well we already have that player in Bouchard (at a lower cap hit as well as a bonus).

Maybe Bouchard can actually learn some defensive skills over his next seven seasons as well... unlike Faulk.
 

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I agree that if his game doesn’t improve from last night then a 9 game stint isn’t warranted. I am willing to give him a few more games though and not judge his entire preseason off of one game and three or four plays during that game.
Yeah of course. I'm not saying send him down today, but he's going to need to play quite a bit better the rest of the way for me to think he should play a single game in the regular season, let alone 9.
 

Bryanbryoil

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Bouchard is already as good as Faulk defensively... so anyone wanting to trade for Faulk and watch him lay eggs in the Oilers dzone while occasionally helping on the PP... well we already have that player in Bouchard (at a lower cap hit as well as a bonus).

Maybe Bouchard can actually learn some defensive skills over his next seven seasons as well... unlike Faulk.

I find that hard to believe. Faulk may have had a bad year last year but he was a much better defenseman at least at one point in his career. If Faulk is as bad and Bouchard doesn't really up his game then I send Evan down and claim a RHD on waivers.
 

nexttothemoon

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I find that hard to believe. Faulk may have had a bad year last year but he was a much better defenseman at least at one point in his career. If Faulk is as bad and Bouchard doesn't really up his game then I send Evan down and claim a RHD on waivers.

Faulk is crap defensively... just have to watch him play to see that. Also shows up in his stats.

Look on the Canes boards for further confirmation of his defensive craptitude.

Plus Faulk costs assets to attain which depletes the Oilers.

Faulk has had a bad 7 years defensively and that trend doesn't likely turn around on the Oilers.
 

Bryanbryoil

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Faulk is crap defensively... just have to watch him play to see that. Also shows up in his stats.

Look on the Canes boards for further confirmation of his defensive craptitude.

Plus Faulk costs assets to attain which depletes the Oilers.

Faulk has had a bad 7 years defensively and that trend doesn't likely turn around on the Oilers.

Then why is he in the NHL? At one time he had a ton of hype around him and Canes fans thought very highly of him. If he was always crap on a cracker then why didn't they treat him like we did Schultz?
 
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VainGretzky

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I find that hard to believe. Faulk may have had a bad year last year but he was a much better defenseman at least at one point in his career. If Faulk is as bad and Bouchard doesn't really up his game then I send Evan down and claim a RHD on waivers.
Faulk is brutal defensively , I think I have a good handle on judging players Nurse Pul Rattie so forth Faulk has a good shot end of story , when someone has been in the league as long as him and still playing like a echl dman in his own zone there is no helping him period. do you think Gagnerc an help any team at this point in his career ? if you answer no you have the same answer for Faulk .
 

Bryanbryoil

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Faulk is brutal defensively , I think I have a good handle on judging players Nurse Pul Rattie so forth Faulk has a good shot end of story , when someone has been in the league as long as him and still playing like a echl dman in his own zone there is no helping him period. do you think Gagnerc an help any team at this point in his career ? if you answer no you have the same answer for Faulk .

I don't watch him much but I still think that he can't be as bad as many say that he is and still get the minutes that he has when Carolina's biggest strength is on D. Whoever we add likely starts the year with Darnell who can wheel.
 

nexttothemoon

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Then why is he in the NHL? At one time he had a ton of hype around him and Canes fans thought very highly of him. If he was always crap on a cracker then why didn't they treat him like we did Schultz?

He's good on the PP... crap at ES because he can't play that thing that dmen have to actually play... defense. That pretty much sums him up.

Unfortunately PP time is quite a bit less per game than ES time. Especially on the Oilers where the team seems to get the shaft from refs more often than not.

If this was football and Faulk was a field goal kicker and was really good at that... great, he could come on, do his thing and then get the f*** off again.

Unfortunately that's not how hockey works. He'd be a $5 million PP specialist who gives it all back at evens.

If the Oilers actually get him... I'll be cheering for him and hope it works out because he'll be an Oiler and I want the team to succeed... but until then... f*** no to Faulk as he's a negative player who makes his team worse... ie exactly why the Canes went out and got Hamilton and why they want to peddle Faulk's sorry defensive ass away from that team if possible.
 

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First rounders all around the league get sent down without 9 game stints every year. How do they all manage to develop? This team isn't nearly good enough to afford to ice a player that will actively hurt us, just so he can get a taste. Bouchard is going to get more than enough of a taste based on pre-season games and practice to get an idea of what he needs to work on to get better.
Bouchard fills enough of a role we desperately need and has looked good enough to earn 9 games. These games aren’t given they’re earned. Not all 1st rounders warrant 9 games with their pre season play. Those that do generally get them.
 

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This is being honest. Do people think Bouchard is a worse player right now than Benning? If Bouchard isn't worse than Benning then having him for 9 games would improve the roster for 9 games
 

nexttothemoon

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I like Bouchard and if the team sends him down so be it.

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Benning
Gravel-Russell
Jerabek-Garrison (I'd likely sign him to a 2-way and have him for AHL depth at least)

Bear/Jones/Lagesson


That's not a deep D pool... but it has some potential... but honestly I'd say it wouldn't hurt to slot in Bouchard for 9 games... it's not as if the other D options for those 9 games are that superior to Bouchard that it would hurt the team to have him playing reduced minutes in that 9 game trial.
 

nexttothemoon

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This is being honest. Do people think Bouchard is a worse player right now than Benning? If Bouchard isn't worse than Benning then having him for 9 games would improve the roster for 9 games

Benning would still be part of the top 6 d group as well.

Bouchard only has to be better than Jerabek/Gravel/Garrison or whomever else is the #6 dman.
 

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