Speculation: Prospect Predictions

Sun God Nika

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Stone - fringe 1st liner, above average second liner - 50-60 points consistently
Lazar - Elite second line centre, good first liner winger - 55 - 60 points consistently
Ceci - Top 2D, Elite third/Second pairing - 30-40 points consistently
Puempel - Top 6 Wing, 25-30goals 15-20 assists 40-50 points consistently

dont expect the same greatness from the rest.
 

Oil For The Boys

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Dreidger, G (career backup)
Stone, RW (1st line playmaker)
Guptill, LW (top-nine winger)
Puempel, LW (top-six goal scorer)
Prince, LW (bust)
Hoffman, LW (top-nine winger)
Paul, LW/C (bottom-six winger)
Lazar, C/RW (1b centre)
Pageau, C (top-9 centre)
Grant, C (4th line PK special)
Ceci, D (top-four two-way d-man)
Borowiecki, D (solid 3rd pairing d-man)
Claesson, D (top-four two-way d-man)
Wikstrand, D (bust)
Harpur, D (bust)
 

Back in Black

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there is nothing remotely similar about Conacher and Pageau other than maybe their height.


Your sentence may just as well read ''Pageau is just another little St. Louis. Time to cut our strings with him.'', which would make absolutely no sense

Everyone was hoping Pageau or Conacher would become another St. Louis! Those little guys are hard to come by. :)
 

Rals

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Prediction: one day all of our prospects will leave the organisation disgruntled with ownership.
 

SensUnofficial

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Suprised at all the negativity towards Guptill, think he will be a solid 3rd Line type. Might see NHL time as soon as next season if he's Solid in the A, and we run into injury troubles.

That being said, I'll say the following. With NHL comparisons!

Dreidger, G (backup/AHL starter) Think Curtis Mcelhinney/Drew McIntyre
Stone, RW (2nd liner) MacArthur 2.0
Guptill, LW (top 9 guy)Kulemin, Clutterbuck, Foligno, etc.
Puempel, LW (top-six scorer) Chris Stewart
Prince, LW (bust)
Hoffman, LW (bust)
Paul, LW/C (Unknown, will play in NHL)
Lazar, C/RW (Solid 2way 2LC) Mike Fisher Prime
Pageau, C (Career AHLer/NHL occasional callup) Mike Zigomanis
Grant, C (4th line PK special) Zack Smith 2.0
Ceci, D (top-four. 2way) Andrej Sekera 2013 edition
Borowiecki, D (7th defenseman, goon)
Claesson, D (Bottom pairing)
Wikstrand, D (Callup guy)
Harpur, D (AHLer)
 

Xspyrit

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How can a guy that has played in the NHL be a bust? I could see the point when it was a 1st round pick but outside of that, playing in the NHL is automatically a success. The number of games and the strength of the player's impact on the team will decide how much a success it was.

Dreidger, G (Journeyman depth goaltender, between 50-100 NHL games) ~ David LeNeveu

Stone, RW (Industrious top-6 forward, 50-60 pts per 82 games) ~ Nik Antropov/Glen Murray mix clone

Guptill, LW (Scoring winger, 20-25 goals per 82 games) ~ poor man's Rick Nash, a bit similar to Chris Stewart

Puempel, LW (Top-6 left winger, 20-30 goals per 82 games) ~ Matt Moulson

Prince, LW (Quality 3rd line winger) ~ Josh Bailey

Hoffman, LW (Journeyman depth scoring winger) ~ bigger Ryan Shannon?

Paul, LW/C (Too early to tell, not enough info/viewings. Prediction = late bloomer). Bigger & more physical Chris Kelly?

Lazar, C/RW (Top-6 versatile 2-way forward with leadership) ~ Slightly lesser version of Gabriel Landeskog

Pageau, C (Bottom-6 forward, great defensively) ~ Maxime Talbot

Grant, C (Journeyman depth 4th line Center) ~ bigger Tom Pyatt

Ceci, D (#2 two-way D-man, 20-25 mins per game, 25-35 pts per 82 games) ~ Slightly lesser version of Drew Doughty

Borowiecki, D (6-7th physical depth defenseman, ~ 200 NHL games) ~ Lesser version of Alexei Emelin

Claesson, D (Top-4 D-man, around 20 mins per game, 10-15 pts per 82 games) ~ Slightly lesser version of a Hjalmarsson/Gorges mix clone

Wikstrand, D (Top-4 D-man, 25-35 pts per 82 games), ~ Lesser version of Oliver Ekman-Larsson

Harpur, D (Journeyman bottom-pairing D-man, 200-300 NHL games), ~ Christoph Schubert

Dzingel wasn't on the list, as well as a few more interesting prospects but it's incredible. I'm really confident in saying that almost all those guys will make the NHL. Obviously, some will have to play for other teams as there is a limited number of spots available

Also plausible is they don't like him on the wing, and liked Spezza, Turris, Zibanejad and Smith better than him.

Lots of possibilities why a capable, young 4th or even 3rd liner could be held out of the lineup.

Another thing I'll never understand with HF, is why a young guy with potential and great showing so far is likely to bust if he doesn't have a regular spot on the team right away

Absolutely. He's already 21, clearly there's no chance for him to get any better. I doubt any team would want him anyway. Might as well leave him by the dumpster behind the CTC.

:cry:

This right here is exactly what's wrong with HF (I would like to believe that it's a bit less ridiculous on other message boards...). 20 years is the minimal age you can turn out pro and play in the NHL. There is NO "he's already 21". That's the kind of thing you can start to say at 23-24.

But I'm thinking you are being sarcastic. In that case, we just made a point.
 

Hossa18

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Suprised at all the negativity towards Guptill, think he will be a solid 3rd Line type. Might see NHL time as soon as next season if he's Solid in the A, and we run into injury troubles.

That being said, I'll say the following. With NHL comparisons!

Dreidger, G (backup/AHL starter) Think Curtis Mcelhinney/Drew McIntyre
Stone, RW (2nd liner) MacArthur 2.0
Guptill, LW (top 9 guy)Kulemin, Clutterbuck, Foligno, etc.
Puempel, LW (top-six scorer) Chris Stewart
Prince, LW (bust)
Hoffman, LW (bust)
Paul, LW/C (Unknown, will play in NHL)
Lazar, C/RW (Solid 2way 2LC) Mike Fisher Prime
Pageau, C (Career AHLer/NHL occasional callup) Mike Zigomanis
Grant, C (4th line PK special) Zack Smith 2.0
Ceci, D (top-four. 2way) Andrej Sekera 2013 edition
Borowiecki, D (7th defenseman, goon)
Claesson, D (Bottom pairing)
Wikstrand, D (Callup guy)
Harpur, D (AHLer)


Some of the worst comparisons and predictions that I have ever seen.
 

Burrowsaurus

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Everyone should put their definition of bust before their predictions. If a guy drafted after the second round gets solid NHL time he's not a bust. He's a steal
 

CanadianGuest

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I gave opinions only on the guys I know enough about to give a decent estimate.

Dreidger, G
Stone, RW (2nd line scoring PWF)
Guptill, LW
Puempel, LW (2nd line sniper)
Prince, LW (2nd line winger)
Hoffman, LW (depth)
Paul, LW/C
Lazar, C/RW (3rd line C/RW)
Pageau, C (4th line, PK specialist)
Grant, C (depth)
Ceci, D (2nd pair D)
Borowiecki, D (depth)
Claesson, D (solid shutdown D)
Wikstrand, D
Harpur, D (I wasn't impressed at the Memorial Cup, too soon to tell)
 
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Definition of bust

When I completed my assessment (a somewhat harsh assessment in hindsight), I used the following criteria:

Bust: A player who fails to play in the NHL in any position on a regular basis.
 

CanadianGuest

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When I completed my assessment (a somewhat harsh assessment in hindsight), I used the following criteria:

Bust: A player who fails to play in the NHL in any position on a regular basis.

I agree that bust means, "fails to play in the NHL in any position on a regular basis" as DougB stated, but there is also the round picked factor.

Daigle played 616 nhl games, for a 1st round pick, that isn't horrible, but for a #1 overall, an argument can be made for a bust label. According to this page, 290 players have ever played 1000 or more games. That's an average of less than 10 per team. 1000 games is a milestone.

O'Brien, on his way to bust status. Lee, will probably be considered a bust, he decided to retire because of his ACL injury, he was still only 26 at that time. Klepis and Chouinard, bustolas.

Ottawa first round picks NHL games played so far;
0 Lazar
49 Ceci
120 Zibanejad
0 Noesen
0 Puempel
158 Cowen
315 Karlsson
63 O'Brien
466 Foligno
209 Lee
585 Meszaros
444 Eaves
66 Klepis
686 Spezza
655 Gleason
650 Volchenkov
748 Havlat
1 Chouinard
1090 Hossa
1143 Phillips
619 Berard
969 Bonk
616 Daigle
850 Yashin

Those were all first round picks, lower picks should have lowered expectations. Second round picks should reach the NHL IMO, fifth round picks would be nice to see NHL games played, and any productive game is a bonus. Guys like Alfredsson are pretty special.
 

StefanW

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Dreidger, G (In 5 years HF fans will be calling for Lehner to be traded to make room for this guy)
Stone, RW (Solid 2/3 line player)
Guptill, LW (bottom 6 player, some trouble sticking)
Puempel, LW (3rd line, everyone will wish he was RW so he could be top 6)
Prince, LW (Bust)
Hoffman, LW (No love outside of fancy stats crowd, the next Condra with slightly different skill set)
Paul, LW/C (Don't know enough about him to comment)
Lazar, C/RW (2C)
Pageau, C (Trade bait, in another uniform in next 24 months)
Grant, C (Bust)
Ceci, D (Solid top 4 D)
Borowiecki, D (7th D, in and out of lineup depending on whether we need muscle)
Claesson, D (Darkhorse 3/4 D)
Wikstrand, D (Don't know enough about him to comment)
Harpur, D (Benoit type, bouncing around league as fringe NHL player)
 

Cosmix

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Yes, I agree the word "bust" could be defined based on expectations of players based on their draft position. In my case, I used it as indicated. For those who I expect to make the NHL as regulars, I indicated the highest level position that I thought they might reach.
 

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