Proof HF is out to lunch on prospect grading

Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by Ched Brosky, Sep 18, 2011.

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  1. Ched Brosky

    Ched Brosky Registered User

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    Today they released the Canucks top 20 prospects.
    While the list itself in order of 1-20 was not overly bad until it reached the last 5ish prospects, the ratings were just out right horrible and the reasoning for some were even worse!

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13243/hodgson_still_tops_in_vancouver_prospect_pool/

    Now HF describes a 6.5 defense-man to be a 5-6 defense-man at best. Is it just me or was Tanev not already just that last season? If not worse they put a B as in he may drop one grade to a #7 dman. Tanev has definately already been a #7 dman in his rookie year so are they saying he won't improve at all from his rookie year and we've seen the best out of him already? :help:

    Again the writer shows he knows nothing as Honzik is very raw. The Canucks have a Hobey Baker finalist goaltender ranked 19th who is said to have NHL potentail ranked 19th when he is much more polished than Honzik.

    Really? Just really? why talk about him being spotted around here when justifying where he is ranked?!?
    On top of that no Canuck fan argues that, most see he has a slim to none chance of ever making the NHL.
    Also since when does Rai lack foot speed? This just proves this writer just made stuff up as Rai is known for his speediness LOL!

    Once again HF proves that a 12 year old could do a better job evaluating their favorite team's prospects than they can! To not even do 10 seconds worth of re-seach to realize 1 guy has already reached the potential given to him, another is very raw and not polished, and the last has amazing foot speed but lacks a drive
     
  2. 40oz

    40oz ..........

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    I blame the government
     
  3. Richards to Gaborik

    Richards to Gaborik Registered User

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    Really saddening sometimes how people degrade HF so much, seeing as they are offering a free service that they don't even have to offer in the first place. Sure their rankings are never amazing, but half the time people view them as "out to lunch" because the people themselves are homers who think every single prospect of theirs is going to be a star.

    I am not saying that HF rankings are great. They aren't. But it's pathetic how hard some people get on them sometimes.
     
  4. Abyss

    Abyss GO BRUINS

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    the problem is people look at the ratings now, when really you can't tell if the ratings are good or horrible until after few years...
     
  5. McDNicks17

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    A 6.5B grade means he has a good shot of being better than Campoli and worse than Ehrhoff.

    Are you actually complaining about that?...
     
  6. John Jaeckel

    John Jaeckel Registered User

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    Mea Culpa

    Re: Rai

    This is not HF's fault. It's mine. It was an honest mistake. And I am working to correct it and certainly not repeat it.

    On the other comments, not sure I completely agree, but your feedback is genuinely appreciated.
     
  7. The Pucks

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    Really?

    You disagree with the rankings on three players and you make a thread about it on the main board?

    Really?

    Come on now, thats pure childish bull crap.
     
  8. Synergy27

    Synergy27 I only like it when it's dimed out.

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    The OP should be used in the dictionary in place of however "proof" is currently defined.
     
  9. Pi

    Pi Registered User

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    You see...when HF writers give their opinions they usually don't have the magic 8 ball with them so they can go wrong too..but they are just GUIDELINES as to what a player can become. It's like this.. if HFBoard writers were NFL prospect graders..Tom Brady sure as hell wouldn't have gotten more than a 6.5B when he was drafted right now he's a 10.0A QB.

    Same ways, some prospects do better, some don't and some do exactly the same as they were drafted/signed to be.
     
  10. mcphllp

    mcphllp Dion @ 6.5=Discount

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    someone isnt happy that their team's prospect list isnt very good
     
  11. King'sPawn

    King'sPawn Enjoy the chaos

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    As for the rankings/ratings, it's a combination of foreseen upside and metaphysical certainty of reaching that upside. These are imperfect rankings, and even the professional scouts miss on ranking prospects all the time. To get bent out of shape over a free service making the exact same type of projections is asinine.

    As to the bit about a player seen driving around... it's fluff. Unless it's incorrect, then why do you care? Different writers have different styles.
     
  12. zeke

    zeke #freeVladdy

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    Your prospects aren't as good as you think. The HF writer has a much better idea of how good they are than you do.

    Tanev was an injury fill in last year, not a legit #5-6 defenseman. In fact, he was a legit bottom pair defenseman....in the AHL. He may never be a legit NHL defenseman, and odds are heavily against him ever being a top-4 defenseman.

    You've never seen Honzik play, or even talked to anyone who has seen him play.

    The comment about Rai driving around town was just colour, not a "justification".


    Stop crying.
     
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  13. danishh

    danishh Registered User

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    it depends on your writer.

    some hf writers are great.

    some, however, are crap.

    canucks seem to have been stuck with the latter this year.



    You should read the sens article. Not only does the writer not watch hockey, but he is apparently in dire need of an editor... or spell check.
     
  14. WonderTwinsUnite

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    I like how you berate him for never seeing Honzik and making assumptions about his play right after you do the exact same thing to Tanev. He absolutely was a 5-6 defenseman last year (caliber-wise).
     
  15. nowhereman

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    In regards to Tanev, no he doesn't. What makes his opinion on the kid any more definitive than anyone else?

    Tanev is more like a 7.0B/C. He's very poised under pressure, much like a young Alexander Edler, and has all the tools to be a very good 2nd pairing defensemen. He's filled out his wiry frame this last summer and has already gained 10 pounds. To say he's not even a legitimate bottom-pairing defenseman is wrong. He's just not a legit bottom pairing defenseman on, by far, the deepest defense in the league. On any other team, he'd be a solid #5-#6 guy.

    Canucks fans have seen a lot of Honzik this preason, so your presumption might just be a little ridiculous.
     
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  16. HockeySensible

    HockeySensible Smug Teuvo

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    Actually, Tanev was a number 1 Dman last year, don'tyaknow?
     
  17. babblemoth

    babblemoth my heart and I agree

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    So that's how they rate prospects? On their race? Tending to think the OP may be more right than wrong.
     
  18. Avs44

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    Ummm, what? You realize when he said "color" he was not meaning skin color right? Wow. Some people are so dense
     
  19. StarvinArvin38

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    why dont you just let your precious canuck prospects shut everyone up by proving themselves....may be a good idea other than bashing someones writing. neeeewwwbbbbiiiiiiccuuusss
     
  20. MetalGodAOD*

    MetalGodAOD* Guest

    woosh
     
  21. thestonedkoala

    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    Harri Sateri 7.0C
    Matt Hackett 7.0C...

    Wha?
     
  22. You should take ratings like that with a grain of salt, always. I take what I know about prospects from the team sites and the scouts they find information from for players, scouts that you will see on NHL.com or TSN.ca talking about prospects, etc.
     
  23. Bgav

    Bgav We Stylin'

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    The prab rai driving around part was pretty funny

    lmfao
     
  24. The proof is in the pudding. :dunno:
     
  25. MoreGore

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    Guys like Tanev are simply harder to figure out. He has been a prospect for only 1 year, so getting a 6.5 B is quite reasonable given his background. He played quite well last season, but it is a small sample size, and the more time he is in the league, the more people know how he plays, and how to play against him.

    I can't comment on the other guys.

    Overall, look at it this way.... 17 out of 20 prospect ratings were good in your estimation.

    As a Sens fan, we had a few issues as well, most notably Lehner's downgrade after his AHL playoff MVP performance :p
     

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