Habs Halifax
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If Price is traded (big if), a lot of you are going to eat crow when you see the trade. Told you this on the Patch trade and I'm saying it with both Weber and Price.
Speculation: Price to Carolina ?
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Price's contract isn't that bad. It might be one of the "scariest" contract i guess - but it's not that bad.
Asking whether Price is elite or not is still very much debateable. He had a great season last year - but has struggled with some consistency issues. It's different than guys like Lucic or Seabrook who clearly are "done" as top players but with bad contracts. Price may have a lot of years left as a top goalie. So it's a "scary" contract in the sense that if things go bad, it can be bad for a long time to get rid of $$.
But flipside is his level of play is still great - and put him for the first time in his career on an actual good team - and he might be crazy good. So it's a gamble.
I agree that it's a hard trade with any team - but his value is nowhere near as bad as many imply on HF.
SpeakingOfTheDevils
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2019 - Jordan Binnington - $650,000
2018 - Braden Holtby - $6,100,000
2017 - Marc-Andre Fleury - $5,750,000
2016 - Matt Murray - $550,000
2015 - Corey Crawford - $6,000,000
You're literally talking out of your ass.
Just because your GM foolishly committed double-digit AAV to your goalie - who happens to be good, and was once elite - doesn't mean that's the industry norm. And it certainly doesn't mean it's some sort of criterion for winning.
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Habs Halifax
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I am looking at it both ways. I'm looking at what his stats are when the team in front of him is not horrible and I'm looking at his stats when the team in front of him is horrible. Both matter to me. You want to look at solely when the team is not trending well and say Price is the problem.
Price was dominate from Dec - Apr when the Habs were healthy and Price decided to step up. The evidence you will find is he is tired of a meh team in front of him and has checked out. Ability is not the question, confidence in the team in front of him is.
Said the same about Weber when people were all over him when he was hurt. It's propaganda.
I think SJ is one of the better trade partners for Price. Don't like this value at all as a habs fan - but just talking about destination.
I think the right fit for Price is a team who wants to contend/compete and is willing to take a risk. Clearly things aren't working out in SJ right now - and before giving up/blowing it all up/rebuilding i could see them taking a gamble on a contract (and player) like Price. If it works? Great - cup contenders. If it doesn't? Well - they need to blow it up/rebuild anyways.
I'm not sure Carolina is the best of trading partners for the Habs, based on their situation.
Habs Halifax
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Price was paid $6.5M in his 20's. Some of those contracts are about to expire in case you didn't notice. Timing is everything and you are a fool if you think the past rate of $4M - $7M is still the rate in the coming years. What do you think Andersen ask for in a few seasons? Think about it
Binnington and Murray are rare cases. Do you think the Canes have that young goalie now or in the system? Maybe they can make a trade like the Leafs to get Andersen type at some point. Lots of teams looking for goalies and settle year after year in case you didn't notice.
If the Habs let Price walk as a UFA or traded him as a pending UFA a few season ago, you don't think some team gives him a similar contract? Give your head a shake
Habs Halifax
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ALSO.....just to clarify the OP quote in case anyone misunderstood. This isn't exactly a rumor, hinting that teams are talking. All the article says it's that Larry Brooks from the NY Post writes that he thinks Carolina should go after a goalie such as Price/Lundqvist.
It's just an opinion. 0 foundation to call it an actual rumor.
It's just an opinion. 0 foundation to call it an actual rumor.
Habs Halifax
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That would be worse than what we got for Roy
. Risks works two ways, not just one. If the Habs retain down to $8M, it's the right number to get teams involved. If you want the Habs to retain more, the return gets higher. No way in hell we are going to liquidate Price and give him to a contender for cheap like we did with Roy.wahhh, its a dumb narrative about goalie salaries, it doesnt mean anything and not relevant (despite history supporting your claim). but, but, but... its only X% of cap, nevermind no goalie over $6.1 ever wins cups in the last 15 years.
let them talk themselves into a nice siesta, a $10MM goalie almost guarantees you wont be able to roll four lines or have three solid D pairs.
Karlsson is probably a better comparable (with injury history, and consistency issues). But Burns too, maybe.
Difference is - a positional player can still be useful even if they decline some. So Burns (or Karlsson) may decline and go from one of the best defenders in the league to a low level first line D and still be very useful, or top 4 D with PP specialists...once Price declines a bit as a top goalie - he's useless. He's either a legit/strong #1 goalie - or he's not, and as a backup goalie he loses his value.
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Fun fact to further this, of the 15 highest paid goalies in the league this year, only 2 are above a .915%SVV (typical league average). They are Rask and Hellbuyck. 13 of the 15 have NTC or NMC as well. Signing goalies to big ticket-long term contracts is scary business. Its a fragile position and also subjective to everyone else infront of you. Since the lockout, 27% of teams have bought-out a goalie contract.
except any other skater that isnt a goalie can contribute goals for as well. a goalie cant.
thats the hitch, goalies are only as good as the team in front of them allows them to be. you can have the best goalie in the world, but if you have a sieve of a system operating in front of him, he's not going to save .900+% of double digit high scoring chances in front of him.
Burns blows a tire or loses his man in his zone, he still has the goalie as the last line of defense to bail him out. Unfortunately for the goalie, its him on his own, if he's having an off night or the team is a dumpster fire in front of him, theres not much he can do each night except try to keep it close
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If the Canes traded for price they still wouldn't have an elite goaltender.
He's like an old German car at this point and who wants to spend 5k in repairs on a 1992 325i?
He's like an old German car at this point and who wants to spend 5k in repairs on a 1992 325i?
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That contract is so brutal and long I doubt Car would do Reimer for Price at 50 percent. He's signed till....2030? He's....32???
You do realize during Price's prime years the team was also extremely thin all over right? Yet he still put up ridiculous numbers. There's a reason for that...it's because he was the best goalie in the game and he was capable of carrying them on his back. I mean this roster went 8 straight seasons without a 70 point scorer. It's pretty much common knowledge that Price is the sole reason this team even contended for a playoff spot most years during his run.
He's just not that goalie anymore and most people have accepted it. Eventually that workload catches up to a goalie. Sure maybe he's capable of having short stretches where he looks like that guy again, but age and health are most likely not going to allow him to return to that player again. It's not impossible obviously, but no other team is going to be dumb enough to take that chance given the player he is today. That contract is an anchor at this point and if you can't see that there's nothing really more to debate.
Habs Halifax
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Karlsson is making $11.5M and Price would come in at $8M. Similar risks but not the same. Plus elite level goalies like Price almost never decline at rapid rates. Don't agree? Name me them? Good luck.
Don't listen to the propaganda. They said the same towards Weber when he was injured. Same with Patch before we traded him and he's a much better player on a better team with actual centers.
Price is a star and when he is on his game (playing with a team he has confidence in), he is a game changer. Look at this stats from Dec - Apr last year. He is not that risky if he comes at $8M AAV from 32-38. So many examples of elite level goalies performing to near their top levels past 35. Belfore, Hasek, Roy, Luongo, Rinne... list goes on and on.
SpeakingOfTheDevils
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None of the goalies I mentioned will get anything near Price's contract terms, if that's what you're getting at.
Rare cases
Except Binnington and Murray happened within 4 seasons of each other. How rare!
That's not my argument. My point - which is also everyone else's in this thread - is that you're not getting anything near what you think you would in a Price trade, even if you retain. It was a bad deal at the time, and it has aged ****ing horribly.
Enjoy Price and that contract. ****ing joke.
Habs Halifax
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That would be worse than what we got for Roy
Did you really just laugh at Pesce+1st for Price? I want the last 5 minutes of my life back where I clearly wasted my time debating with someone so far out of touch from reality. Welcome to my ignore list!
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I would fire you as my GM if your plan was to run with meh goalies with that kind of roster potential. You will come to your senses over time. Maybe Price is not the guy but you need someone in net to win and the point is winning cups. When you are this close, you don't do nothing and run with goalies you don't have confidence in.
$4.3M for both your goalies on a cup contender? That's your plan year to year? Pretty sure you will be disappointed. What's your plan? To win a cup in 24/25?
Where do you see "meh goalies"? Francouz is currently 5th in the NHL in SV%, 10th in GAA. And, last year, down the stretch, Grubauer had nearly identical statistics to Price, posting a 0.928 SV% and a 2.26 GAA over 20 games, followed by a 0.925 SV% and a 2.30 GAA in 12 playoff games. At the very least, I'm perfectly happy giving them a chance at the playoffs this season.
Habs Halifax
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None of the goalies I mentioned will get anything near Price's contract terms, if that's what you're getting at.
Rare cases
Except Binnington and Murray happened within 4 seasons of each other. How rare!
That's not my argument. My point - which is also everyone else's in this thread - is that you're not getting anything near what you think you would in a Price trade, even if you retain. It was a bad deal at the time, and it has aged ****ing horribly.
Enjoy Price and that contract. ****ing joke.
Sure but the narrative is Price will come with retention and at $8M. Don't know how many times I said that and I know you seen it.
What's a joke is how you are all over the propaganda. If he is traded, you will be wrong
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