Speculation: Price to Carolina ?

[slimbob8]

Disagree. Price is overpaid by about $1.5M IMO and retaining down to $8M makes it an attractive contract. He is still a top 5 NHL goalie and on a better team? Watch out! Price is a star in net and Pesce and a 1st are not stars.

This thread reminds me so much of the Seabrook threads from two years ago trying to trade him. 90% of fans realized how bad the contract was at the time because the regression had already started, but there were a few extremely vocal Hawks fans flooding the boards that refused to accept reality and thought he was magically going to turn back time and return to the player he once was. Don't be that person....use your head and try and look at this objectively.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I realize you will give them a chance. It's early in your contender years so I expect some patience for a bit yet. Things will change quick if they disappoint.

Sure, if they disappoint, we'll probably look at going in another direction. That's the advantage of having goalies signed to short term contracts. How would we change direction if we had Price under contract, even at $8m, for the next 6 years?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Let's just put it this way, there isn't one LHD that plays for the Habs that would be a regular with Carolina, well maybe Chiarot and even then, it would be very limited minutes. Keeping that in mind, how can we judge him by his numbers? It simply is unfair to do so and ya I get it, "10.5 million he should compensate for the bad D..." Well that is totally unrealistic. The amount of odd man rushes and prime scoring chances we've been giving up since Markov left (yes... it's been that long) is absolutely unacceptable.

There is no goalie in the world that could compensate for the HORRIBLE D and team D he has to deal with every night. If you put Price behind that D, there would be an HF thread within a month saying how great he is again lol

It don't work that way. I'm not happy Price took the max deal and felt $9M AAV was the better bench mark for the top paid goalie. However, you name me any other goalie you feel is top 5 in the NHL and if he plays with the Habs, he struggles too. We are giving way too many high scoring chances and our team D has issues every since Markov left and Bergevin ripped our D apart.

A good goalie will help you win games. A great goalie will give you the edge and maybe a deep playoff run or cup. That's what Price can do if he played on a better team. Everyone knows it but not many will admit it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sure, if they disappoint, we'll probably look at going in another direction. That's the advantage of having goalies signed to short term contracts. How would we change direction if we had Price under contract, even at $8m, for the next 6 years?

Not going to try to force Price on you cause you clearly are not interested and want to go after cheaper options. But it's possible you look back in 5 or 6 years and regret it. Maybe, maybe not. Some might say you wasted the years of MacKinnon's value contract.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I don't why Pesce's name is even in this thread. Anybody that watches Carolina will tell you that defense is not a strength, at least to the extent it once was. Remove Pesce, one of the team's 3 legit Top 4 defensemen, and they're left with a 2nd pairing of Gardiner and Fleury/van Riemsdyk/Edmundson. That would defeat the purpose of acquiring Price in the first place, no?

isn't Edmundson a true top 4 player... ?

 

[BB88]

Not many are on Price's level. I believe the actual NHLPA who vote on this year after year before your opinion as a basement GM trying to troll another teams star goalie who clearly not happy with the team in front of him.

Yeah his 90.0 stats really scream elite.

The Gm who trade for Price and/or with a 1st+ Pesce type package should be fired on the spot.

 

[BLNY]

It is when he reaches the end of that contract. Hell, at 0.904 right now that pretty terrible.

... and that has nothing to do with the number of quality scoring chances the 5 guys in front of him allow.

I'm yet to see a post that slags Price to also show me a goalie that's truly going to excel in the same situation. I don't believe there is one, just like if he's behind a sound structure there aren't people on here claiming he's washed up.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah his 90.0 stats really scream elite.

The Gm who trade for Price and/or with a 1st+ Pesce type package should be fired on the spot.

If Price waives his NMC... we will see who is right.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

isn't Edmundson a true top 4 player... ?

No.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

More likely Price is exposed to Seattle and they claim him.

He'd have to agree to waive his NMC first.

 

[Stealth JD]

isn't Edmundson a true top 4 player... ?

Edmundson was at times a healthy scratch during last year's Cup run. He's an average #5-6 with a mean streak...but inconsistent and prone to bone-headed decisions with the puck. He should not be a top-4 on any team, let alone a good team. He just doesn't have the requisite puck-skills or Hockey IQ.

 

[slimbob8]

... and that has nothing to do with the number of quality scoring chances the 5 guys in front of him allow.

I'm yet to see a post that slags Price to also show me a goalie that's truly going to excel in the same situation. I don't believe there is one, just like if he's behind a sound structure there aren't people on here claiming he's washed up.

People aren't saying he's washed up. They're saying he's just not the same goalie he was when he earned a 10M contract. There's a big difference. If he was signed for only 2 more years then sure somebody may bite at that contract and hope he can return to form a bit. But with six years remaining nobody in their right mind is taking that contract even for free and for good reason. There's just way too much risk involved in it and historical trends don't paint a pretty picture for him. For every goalie you find that played late into his 30's at a high level, you can find 10 more than fizzled out much earlier.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This thread reminds me so much of the Seabrook threads from two years ago trying to trade him. 90% of fans realized how bad the contract was at the time because the regression had already started, but there were a few extremely vocal Hawks fans flooding the boards that refused to accept reality and thought he was magically going to turn back time and return to the player he once was. Don't be that person....use your head and try and look at this objectively.

Not even close to Seabrook. Price is not in decline, he needs a new team cause the ability is still there but he has checked out due to be frustrated with the Habs for not improving the team in front of him. There was some hope on the kids filling holes but they are not stars and it will take time.

His stats this season are in line with the team inability to limit scoring chances. It's not rocket science. Bookmark it... we can re-visit it if and when Price is traded.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

isn't Edmundson a true top 4 player... ?

Maybe you can get away with a player like that in the Top 4 if you have a Pesce-level defenseman beside him, but ideally he's on the bottom pairing of a good team.

The situation in Carolina has changed over the past year. Gone are Fox (an NHL ready D prospect), de Haan (a legit 2nd pairing guy) and Faulk (Carolina's #2 in the playoffs by TOI). Replacing them were Priskie (needs development time), Edmundson (a 4/5 type) and Gardiner (he was a disappointment in the first half).

 

[BB88]

If Price waives his NMC... we will see who is right.

Can't wait.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Sure, there are other stats you can look at if you value the others. Point is, Price was the Price we all know when he wanted to be. He took our team when we were struggling and lead them to a 96 point season when the team was not that great. The ability is there and everybody knows it. People just want to take advantage and acquire for cheap. Habs won't be fooled but you can keep trying

Habs wont be fooled? OKAY. No one wants him on that contract. Not even for half. It aint happening.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Price won't be lifting his NMC to go to Carolina.

Next!

 

[slimbob8]

Not even close to Seabrook. Price is not in decline, he needs a new team cause the ability is still there but he has checked out due to be frustrated with the Habs for not improving the team in front of him. There was some hope on the kids filling holes but they are not stars and it will take time.

His stats this season are in line with the team inability to limit scoring chances. It's not rocket science. Bookmark it... we can re-visit it if and when Price is traded.

So let me get this straight, you have the ability to judge that Price isn't making the saves he used to make simply because he's just consciously decided to check out and not because of the more logical answer that he's starting to regress? Do you zoom into his eyes to read his facial expression on the replays? Just wondering how you accomplish this. Either way, that's quite the gift you have. You should start making some trips to Vegas with that ability.

 

[BLNY]

People aren't saying he's washed up. They're saying he's just not the same goalie he was when he earned a 10M contract. There's a big difference. If he was signed for only 2 more years then sure somebody may bite at that contract and hope he can return to form a bit. But with six years remaining nobody in their right mind is taking that contract even for free and for good reason. There's just way too much risk involved in it and historical trends don't paint a pretty picture for him. For every goalie you find that played late into his 30's at a high level, you can find 10 more than fizzled out much earlier.

I may have over exaggerated, but I've seen some pretty negative comments. Behind a reasonable defense, these weekly threads don't exist.

Montreal isn't moving him. There's no incentive. MAF and Lundqvist played and have played at a high level well into their 30s. Even if Montreal strips it to the studs, and I don't see it, they'll keep Carey around for Primeau.

 

[Hunter368]

We already have a general Price thread and a general Habs thread........we don’t need this one.