Line Combos: Predict the Starting Lineup for the 1st regular season game of the 2019/2020 season

LucicAndChong · Jan 13, 2019

IMO I feel like we will go with

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
Ennis - Kadri - Moore
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Bracco

Reilly - Pietrangelo
Dermott - Gudas
Sandin - Rosen

Anderson
Hutchinson

I have Marner signing at $9,250,000/8 and Matthews at $11,525,000/8. Ennis for $850,000/2 and Hutchinson at $1,050,000/2. Johnsson and Kapanen have been used in trades to get better Dmen (Pietrangelo) and Brown, Zaitsev, Gardiner, Lindholm and Hainsey are all either Cap Casualties and have to be sold off for picks or let walk in FA because we cant afford them/dont want them.

What do you guys think? I may be a bit fishy with the cap and I think that I'm clear of it, but I went with the $83,000,000 cap idea for next year. My contract estimations may also be off. Criticism Welcome, I'm just trying to start a conversation.

Our Forward depth is a little weaker than this year, but after we get out from under the cap crunch year, we have all of Marleau's Money to play with in FA and should have some picks and prospects to help bolster it.

AreBe · Jan 13, 2019

Fighting Major Leaders - All Players 2018-19 NHL Hockey Stats and League Leaders - Major Penalties - National Hockey League - ESPN

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	PIM	PIM/G	MAJOR	MIS	GMIS	BRD	UC	FM	INST	F/G	ATBF
1	Cody McLeod, LW	NYR	56	2.33	6	1	0	1	0	5	0	0.21	35:03
	Ben Harpur, D	OTT	47	1.96	5	1	0	0	0	5	1	0.21	87:57
3	Sam Bennett, C	CGY	70	1.59	4	1	0	1	0	4	1	0.09	151:47
	Mark Borowiecki, D	OTT	67	2.31	5	1	1	0	0	4	0	0.14	112:06
	Zach Bogosian, D	BUF	42	1.05	4	0	0	0	0	4	0	0.10	216:33
	Scott Mayfield, D	NYI	42	1.02	4	0	0	0	0	4	0	0.10	194:34
7	Ian Cole, D	COL	60	1.33	4	0	1	0	0	3	0	0.07	309:22
	Ryan Reaves, RW	VGS	56	1.19	4	1	1	0	0	3	0	0.06	179:28
	Barclay Goodrow, LW	SJ	53	1.13	3	1	1	0	1	3	1	0.06	166:37
	Radko Gudas, D	PHI	43	1.00	3	0	0	0	0	3	0	0.07	256:58
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	PIM	PIM/G	MAJOR	MIS	GMIS	BRD	UC	FM	INST	F/G	ATBF
	Tom Wilson, RW	WSH	39	1.56	3	0	0	0	0	3	0	0.12	151:07
	Nick Seeler, D	MIN	39	0.93	3	1	0	0	0	3	1	0.07	178:15
	Jamie Oleksiak, D	PIT	37	1.06	3	0	0	1	0	3	0	0.09	185:26
	Kyle Clifford, LW	LA	35	0.97	3	0	0	0	0	3	0	0.08	112:37
	Marcus Pettersson, D	PIT/ANA	35	0.74	3	0	0	0	0	3	0	0.06	233:58
	Marcus Foligno, LW	MIN	29	0.66	3	0	0	0	0	3	0	0.07	170:22
	Ross Johnston, LW	NYI	23	1.77	3	0	0	0	2	3	0	0.23	30:54
	Brandon Manning, D	CHI/EDM	21	0.70	3	0	0	0	0	3	0	0.10	152:56
19	Antoine Roussel, LW	VAN	90	2.20	2	4	0	0	1	2	0	0.05	284:49
	Brad Marchand, LW	BOS	80	1.82	2	3	0	0	1	2	1	0.05	436:

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LucicAndChong · Jan 13, 2019

AreBe said:
Fighting Major Leaders - All Players 2018-19 NHL Hockey Stats and League Leaders - Major Penalties - National Hockey League - ESPN

RK PLAYER TEAM PIM PIM/G MAJOR MIS GMIS BRD UC FM INST F/G ATBF
1 Cody McLeod, LW NYR 56 2.33 6 1 0 1 0 5 0 0.21 35:03
Ben Harpur, D OTT 47 1.96 5 1 0 0 0 5 1 0.21 87:57
3 Sam Bennett, C CGY 70 1.59 4 1 0 1 0 4 1 0.09 151:47
Mark Borowiecki, D OTT 67 2.31 5 1 1 0 0 4 0 0.14 112:06
Zach Bogosian, D BUF 42 1.05 4 0 0 0 0 4 0 0.10 216:33
Scott Mayfield, D NYI 42 1.02 4 0 0 0 0 4 0 0.10 194:34
7 Ian Cole, D COL 60 1.33 4 0 1 0 0 3 0 0.07 309:22
Ryan Reaves, RW VGS 56 1.19 4 1 1 0 0 3 0 0.06 179:28
Barclay Goodrow, LW SJ 53 1.13 3 1 1 0 1 3 1 0.06 166:37
Radko Gudas, D PHI 43 1.00 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.07 256:58
RK PLAYER TEAM PIM PIM/G MAJOR MIS GMIS BRD UC FM INST F/G ATBF
Tom Wilson, RW WSH 39 1.56 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.12 151:07
Nick Seeler, D MIN 39 0.93 3 1 0 0 0 3 1 0.07 178:15
Jamie Oleksiak, D PIT 37 1.06 3 0 0 1 0 3 0 0.09 185:26
Kyle Clifford, LW LA 35 0.97 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.08 112:37
Marcus Pettersson, D PIT/ANA 35 0.74 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.06 233:58
Marcus Foligno, LW MIN 29 0.66 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.07 170:22
Ross Johnston, LW NYI 23 1.77 3 0 0 0 2 3 0 0.23 30:54
Brandon Manning, D CHI/EDM 21 0.70 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.10 152:56
19 Antoine Roussel, LW VAN 90 2.20 2 4 0 0 1 2 0 0.05 284:49
Brad Marchand, LW BOS 80 1.82 2 3 0 0 1 2 1 0.05 436:
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If youre saying that Gudas being up there is a bad thing I disagree. If youre going to win in the playoffs you need players like that. You need players that can hit hard and be physical.

Nineteen67 · Jan 13, 2019

A little early....

Assuming Marner signs by then...

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson -Kadri - Nylander
Reaves - Glass - Kappy
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Marchment

Rielly, Schmidt, Sandin, Liljegren, Dermott .....

Matthner3416 · Jan 13, 2019

Big Sugar said:
IMO I feel like we will go with

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
Ennis - Kadri - Moore
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Bracco

Reilly - Pietrangelo
Dermott - Gudas
Sandin - Rosen

Anderson
Hutchinson

I have Marner signing at $9,250,000/8 and Matthews at $11,525,000/8. Ennis for $850,000/2 and Hutchinson at $1,050,000/2. Johnsson and Kapanen have been used in trades to get better Dmen (Pietrangelo) and Brown, Zaitsev, Gardiner, Lindholm and Hainsey are all either Cap Casualties and have to be sold off for picks or let walk in FA because we cant afford them/dont want them.

What do you guys think? I may be a bit fishy with the cap and I think that I'm clear of it, but I went with the $83,000,000 cap idea for next year. My contract estimations may also be off. Criticism Welcome, I'm just trying to start a conversation.

Our Forward depth is a little weaker than this year, but after we get out from under the cap crunch year, we have all of Marleau's Money to play with in FA and should have some picks and prospects to help bolster it.

In all honesty I like it, but what about Liljegren? Haven't been following the Marlies as much this year, not producing well?

LucicAndChong · Jan 13, 2019

Trawna Phan said:
A little early....

Assuming Marner signs by then...

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson -Kadri - Nylander
Reaves - Glass - Kappy
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Marchment

Rielly, Schmidt, Sandin, Liljegren, Dermott .....

No Matthews???

LucicAndChong · Jan 13, 2019

Matthner3416 said:
In all honesty I like it, but what about Liljegren? Haven't been following the Marlies as much this year, not producing well?

Honestly, I hypothetically used him in a trade for Pietrangelo. I thought if you traded Johnsson + Kapanen + Liljegren + 2019 2nd you could get Pietrangelo, and then that saves us our 1st, which we can use to trade to Philly for Gudas. The Gudas Trade could look like 2019 1st + Nikita Zaitsev + Connor Brown + 2019 3rd for Gudas (50% Retained).

Ziggdiezan · Jan 13, 2019

Big Sugar said:
IMO I feel like we will go with

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Nylander
Ennis - Kadri - Moore
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Bracco

Reilly - Pietrangelo
Dermott - Gudas
Sandin - Rosen

Anderson
Hutchinson

I have Marner signing at $9,250,000/8 and Matthews at $11,525,000/8. Ennis for $850,000/2 and Hutchinson at $1,050,000/2. Johnsson and Kapanen have been used in trades to get better Dmen (Pietrangelo) and Brown, Zaitsev, Gardiner, Lindholm and Hainsey are all either Cap Casualties and have to be sold off for picks or let walk in FA because we cant afford them/dont want them.

What do you guys think? I may be a bit fishy with the cap and I think that I'm clear of it, but I went with the $83,000,000 cap idea for next year. My contract estimations may also be off. Criticism Welcome, I'm just trying to start a conversation.

Our Forward depth is a little weaker than this year, but after we get out from under the cap crunch year, we have all of Marleau's Money to play with in FA and should have some picks and prospects to help bolster it.

Bracco is not a 4th line player unfortunately and you also got rid of most of the leafs PK players so that isnt good. Bunch of rookies playing the PK is less than ideal.

Also that defense is awful green and honestly other than the 1st pairing likely far worse than the current defense.

I dont see that third pairing happening. Likely a stop gap vet plays on the third pairing with whatever rookie wins out the other spot (if Gards walks and Dermott plays 2nd pairing).

Advanced stats · Jan 13, 2019

Trawna Phan said:
A little early....

Assuming Marner signs by then...

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson -Kadri - Nylander
Reaves - Glass - Kappy
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Marchment

Rielly, Schmidt, Sandin, Liljegren, Dermott .....

AM34

Liminality · Jan 13, 2019

Big Sugar said:
No Matthews???

Think that's his "thing"

CantLoseWithMatthews · Jan 13, 2019

Ziggdiezan said:
Bracco is not a 4th line player unfortunately and you also got rid of most of the leafs PK players so that isnt good. Bunch of rookies playing the PK is less than ideal.

Also that defense is awful green and honestly other than the 1st pairing likely far worse than the current defense.

I dont see that third pairing happening. Likely a stop gap vet plays on the third pairing with whatever rookie wins out the other spot (if Gards walks and Dermott plays 2nd pairing).

I think if Ennis can play on the 4th line, so can Bracco.

Duke16 · Jan 13, 2019

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Moore
Engvall - Gauthier - Grundstrom

-Brown traded for Draft Picks (cap)
-Lindholm and Ennis unsigned
-Kap + traded for Rielly's D partner

Rielly - New D
Dermott - Free Agent
Rosen - Liljegren
Ex. Ozhiganov

-Hainsey and Gardiner walk
-Find a taker for Zaitsev (cap)

Andersen
Sparks/Hutchinson

*IF* we could manage to facilitate a Marleau trade, I would keep Brown and maybe even give Zaitsev another chance with a new partner.

Timashov-Mueller-Bracco
Marchment-Brooks-Carcone
Dzierkals-Joshua-Korshkov
Elynuik-Greening-Gagne
Clune

Sandin-Holl
Vet-Durzi
Kral-Lindgren
LeBlanc-Hollowell

Hutchinson
Woll/Scott

SeaOfBlue · Jan 13, 2019

I will do you one better...

Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Matthews-Kapanen
Marleau-Kadri-Nylander
Grundstrom-Aaltonen-Moore
Gauthier-Carcone

Rielly-Martinez
Dermott-Zaitsev
Rosen-Liljegren
Ozhiganov

Andersen-Sparks

---

Engvall-Mueller-Bracco
Marchment-Brooks-???
???-McGregor-Korshkov
???-Greening-Gagne
Clune

Sandin-Holl
???-Lindgren
Gordeev-Durzi
LeBlanc-Hollowell

Kaskisuo-Scott

LucicAndChong · Jan 13, 2019

Duke16 said:
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Moore
Engvall - Gauthier - Grundstrom

-Brown traded for Draft Picks (cap)
-Lindholm and Ennis unsigned
-Kap + traded for Rielly's D partner

Rielly - New D
Dermott - Free Agent
Rosen - Liljegren
Ex. Ozhiganov

-Hainsey and Gardiner walk
-Find a taker for Zaitsev (cap)

Andersen
Sparks/Hutchinson

ouuuuu thats a THICK 4th Line.

Engvall ( 6'4", 192LBS ) - Gauthier ( 6'5", 235LBS ) - Grundstrom ( 6'0", 194LBS )

babs wet dream

LucicAndChong · Jan 13, 2019

SeaOfBlue said:
I will do you one better...

Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Matthews-Kapanen
Marleau-Kadri-Nylander
Grundstrom-Aaltonen-Moore
Gauthier-Carcone

Rielly-Martinez
Dermott-Zaitsev
Rosen-Liljegren
Ozhiganov

Andersen-Sparks

---

Engvall-Mueller-Bracco
Marchment-Brooks-???
???-McGregor-Korshkov
???-Greening-Gagne
Clune

Sandin-Holl
???-Lindgren
Gordeev-Durzi
LeBlanc-Hollowell

Kaskisuo-Scott

There is no way Matthews and Marner can get signed with Zaitsevs contract

Ziggdiezan · Jan 13, 2019

CantLoseWithMatthews said:
I think if Ennis can play on the 4th line, so can Bracco.

Ennis is a vet with a great motor though while Bracco would be a 21/22 year old rookie.

I'm a big fan of Bracco, I just dont see him getting used by Babcock in that role on the 4th line.

SeaOfBlue · Jan 13, 2019

Big Sugar said:
There is no way Matthews and Marner can get signed with Zaitsevs contract

How is Zaitsev the problem? Gudas is only making 1.15 mill less than him...

If money is a problem, which I do not forsee it being one, then Nylander or Marleau are the first casualties, because we should not have two 3rd line wingers taking up over 13 mill combined.

Hyman (2.25) - Tavares (11) - Marner (9.25)
Johnsson (2.5) -Matthews (11.525) - Kapanen (2.5)
Marleau (6.25) - Kadri (4.5) - Nylander (7)
Grundstrom (.900) - Aaltonen (.950) - Moore(.775)
Gauthier(.675) - Carcone(.700)

Rielly (5) - Martinez (4)
Dermott (.900) - Zaitsev (4.5M)
Rosen (.750) - Liljegren (.900)
Ozhiganov (1.025)

Andersen (5) - Sparks (.950)

Horton (5.3), Kessel (1.2)

Horton on LTIR puts us at 85 mill flat, assuming we do not have bonus overages (which we should not given how much cap space is left). At 83M, we'd need to find another 2 mill in savings somewhere... Most likely by not giving Matthews and Marner 25% of the cap combined when they are not worth it; not even for 8 years... Even if it means cutting down on term, they can probably find over 2 mill worth of savings right there. If cap is still a problem because let's say Johnsson or Kapanen ask for more, then Marleau (if we can move him) or Nylander (if we cannot) would likely be the first ones on the chopping block.

Nineteen67 · Jan 13, 2019

Big Sugar said:
No Matthews???

I like Matthews...if I had favourite Leafs it would be him, but having said that, I think he would be a perfect fit in Vegas. He’d be close to home, be the bright star for the League and when the NFL team moves in the Knights will need a marketable superstar.

He may sign with the Leafs and I’d be OK with that, too. I’ll watch either way.

The Iceman · Jan 13, 2019

Trawna Phan said:
A little early....

Assuming Marner signs by then...

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson -Kadri - Nylander
Reaves - Glass - Kappy
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Marchment

Rielly, Schmidt, Sandin, Liljegren, Dermott .....

Does Glass and Gauthier beat out Matthews at camp??

frizzer1 · Jan 13, 2019

I don't know what the lineup will look like but I can't imagine Marleau being in it next year.
He is done now.....a year from now..hoo boy!

Americanadian · Jan 13, 2019

Trawna Phan said:
A little early....

Assuming Marner signs by then...

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson -Kadri - Nylander
Reaves - Glass - Kappy
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Marchment

Rielly, Schmidt, Sandin, Liljegren, Dermott .....

When I first read this I thought you were taking a jab at Matthews by calling him "Glass".

SHANNYPLAN · Jan 13, 2019

Anderson, Josh $1,850,000 RW RFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,000,000 C RFA	Marner, Mitchell $9,000,000 RW RFA
Kadri, Nazem $4,500,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Tavares, John $11,000,000 C NMC UFA - 6	Simmonds, Wayne $4,500,000 RW, LW UFA
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Jenner, Boone $3,750,000 C, LW UFA - 3	Johnsson, Andreas $2,250,000 LW RFA
Grundström, Carl $925,000 LW RFA - 1	Gauthier, Frédérik $675,000 C RFA - 1	Moore, Trevor $775,000 RW, LW RFA - 2

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Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000 D UFA - 3	Pesce, Brett $4,025,000 D UFA - 5	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Gardiner, Jake $6,000,000 D UFA	Savard, David $4,250,000 D UFA - 2	Sparks, Garret $1,000,000 G
Dermott, Travis $863,333 D RFA - 1	Carrick, Connor $1,500,000 D

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FIRE BABCOCK (IF OUT IN ROUND 1) --> HIRE COACH Q

TRADES:
Marleau to Sharks/Cap team for anthing

Nylander, Zaitsev & Brown <--> Anderson, Jenner & Savard (maybe a pick from CLB)

Kasperi Kapanen & 1st <--> Brett Pesce

BREAKDOWN:
First Line:
Top Line in the League next year. Matthews shot with Marner's playmaking and Andersons size make this line DANGEROUS --> 20 Minutes/Night

Second Line:
Elite Elite two way/shut down line. This line can play against the top competition every night and outscore them. Kadri and Simmonds will drive the other teams crazy, while allowing Tavares to take off offensively. Would be Scary on the forecheck --> 20 Minutes/Night

Third Line:
Good shut down line, that can play with an edge and provide offence. Probably not the best third line in the league, but could play against anyone --> 14 Minutes/Night

Fourth Line:
Its a 4th line --> 6 Minutes/Night

1.5 million under the cap

LeafingTheWay · Jan 13, 2019

Kapanen* - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Kadri - Moore
Grundstrom - Gauthier - Bracco*/Marchment/Engvall

Rielly - Jensen
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen - Ozhiganov

Sandin/Lilijegren could easily make the team as well. Bracco is a beast and will likely play a top-9 role, but no room for him right now there so might be better to keep him in the AHL.

Nineteen67 · Jan 13, 2019

Americanadian said:
When I first read this I thought you were taking a jab at Matthews by calling him "Glass".

Reaves with Matthews and Kappy would be a terrific line.

Nineteen67 · Jan 13, 2019

AreBe said:
Fighting Major Leaders - All Players 2018-19 NHL Hockey Stats and League Leaders - Major Penalties - National Hockey League - ESPN

RK PLAYER TEAM PIM PIM/G MAJOR MIS GMIS BRD UC FM INST F/G ATBF
1 Cody McLeod, LW NYR 56 2.33 6 1 0 1 0 5 0 0.21 35:03
Ben Harpur, D OTT 47 1.96 5 1 0 0 0 5 1 0.21 87:57
3 Sam Bennett, C CGY 70 1.59 4 1 0 1 0 4 1 0.09 151:47
Mark Borowiecki, D OTT 67 2.31 5 1 1 0 0 4 0 0.14 112:06
Zach Bogosian, D BUF 42 1.05 4 0 0 0 0 4 0 0.10 216:33
Scott Mayfield, D NYI 42 1.02 4 0 0 0 0 4 0 0.10 194:34
7 Ian Cole, D COL 60 1.33 4 0 1 0 0 3 0 0.07 309:22
Ryan Reaves, RW VGS 56 1.19 4 1 1 0 0 3 0 0.06 179:28
Barclay Goodrow, LW SJ 53 1.13 3 1 1 0 1 3 1 0.06 166:37
Radko Gudas, D PHI 43 1.00 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.07 256:58
RK PLAYER TEAM PIM PIM/G MAJOR MIS GMIS BRD UC FM INST F/G ATBF
Tom Wilson, RW WSH 39 1.56 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.12 151:07
Nick Seeler, D MIN 39 0.93 3 1 0 0 0 3 1 0.07 178:15
Jamie Oleksiak, D PIT 37 1.06 3 0 0 1 0 3 0 0.09 185:26
Kyle Clifford, LW LA 35 0.97 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.08 112:37
Marcus Pettersson, D PIT/ANA 35 0.74 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.06 233:58
Marcus Foligno, LW MIN 29 0.66 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.07 170:22
Ross Johnston, LW NYI 23 1.77 3 0 0 0 2 3 0 0.23 30:54
Brandon Manning, D CHI/EDM 21 0.70 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.10 152:56
19 Antoine Roussel, LW VAN 90 2.20 2 4 0 0 1 2 0 0.05 284:49
Brad Marchand, LW BOS 80 1.82 2 3 0 0 1 2 1 0.05 436:
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