predict the russian national team

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  1. Slick Nick

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    Ok, I assume the future of the team looks something like that. Fill the ??? with the player you feel is best suited for the job.

    Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - ???
    Ovechkin - Malkin - Zherdev
    Frolov - ??? - Perezhogin (personnal pick)
    ??? - ??? -??

    Markov
    Kalinin
    Tyutin
    Volchenkov
    ???
    ???
    ???
    ???

    Bryzgalov
    ???
    ???

    Fill the ???'s !
     
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    Ovechkin - Datsyuk - Zherdev
    Kovalchuk - Malkin - Afinogenov
    Frolov - Grigorenko - Perezhogin
    Samsonov - Chubarov/Larionov :D - Lisin

    A. Markov
    Kalinin
    Tyutin
    Volchenkov
    Grebeshkov
    Kondratiev
    Koltsov
    Vorobiev

    Bryzgalov
    Khudobin
    Kuznetsov

    coach: me
     
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    I don't know why, but I don't like to see Afinogenov on the team. Too much borring Bufflo Sabres vs Habs games maybe :)
     
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    Until this september, I didn't like Afinogenov at all, but then he was just awesome for us at the World Cup..
     
  5. The way he positions his legs so far apart when he glides is so similar to the way Pavel Bure used too it's creepy. Brian Burke commented on it when they showed a clip of Max on CBC during the World Cup.
     
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    Radulov can maybe find his way on to the team in the future.
     
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    i feel Afinogenov is a MUST for this national team. why? because the Russians have way too many FINESSE players and not enough players who WORK HARD. Afinogenov may not score a lot, but he works his ass off every shift and gets his teammates going as well.
    The Russians also lack size and physical players...so a guy like Zubrus, who was very effective last WORLD CUP, is a MUST for them as well. oh,and no Fedorov or Mogilny for me...they'll be too old by then.
    my lineup:

    Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Kovalev
    Frolov - Malkin - Ovechkin
    Kvasha - Zubrus - Zherdev (checking line)
    Afinogenov - Chubarov - Samsonov (energy line)

    Gonchar - D.Markov
    A.Markov - D.Kasparaitis
    Kalinin - Volchenkov

    Khabibulin - Bryzgalov

    It was very hard to create these lines as you can see. The Russians have enough talent for 4 scoring lines! I thought of putting Zherdev on the 2nd line instead of Frolov but then that whole 2nd line would have no W.C. experience. This way Zherdev provides some needed scoring on the 3rd line while Frolov has the size to help the 2nd line down low.

    As for dmen, i think D.Markov is more reliable than Kasparaitis...although i love Kasper and he stays on this team for sure. Volchenkov will be key as well.
     
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    i think a lot of people are underrating samsonov. I see him on the top 2 lines for sure.
     
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    believe me, i love samsonov. but there are a few issues with him. first, he plays great for Boston but he doesnt show up sometimes for the World Cup games. also, i cant put him above malkin or ovechkin. yes, i can put him above Frolov maybe...but as i said, i wanted someone on the 2nd line who can play physical down low(and thats frolov). both frolov and samsonov are very talented...the difference to me is that frolov is bigger and can play down low...and so will help that 2nd line a bit more than samsonov would.

    also, if u look at it, with samsonov on that 4th line he can do a lot of damage if he goes against some of the weaker Dmen of the opposition
     
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    Forgot about Semin guys?
     
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    i didnt forget about him, he's just the MYSTERY MAN right now :yo: meaning who knows what will happen with him and washington down the line. Semin is a very talented guy, i'm just not sure how consistent he can be on the ice...but he can make this team

    I also dont want to overload this team with just Finesse players...they do need some grinders to face the larger Canada and U.S. teams
     
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    We've already discussed it. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=117793

    BTW, My predictions from that thread:
    Ovechkin - Malkin - Zherdev
    Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Semin
    Frolov - Kaigorodov - Perezhogin
    Saprykin - Chubarov - Afanasenkov
    A. Radulov

    Grebeshkov - Tjutin
    Kondratiev - A. Markov
    Semenov - Kalinin
    Volchenkov

    Nabokov
    Bryzgalov
    Barulin
     
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    to me thats a rather questionable lineup:

    1. the team clearly lacks size. who is going to play physical on the 1st or 2nd line? i cant find a single player on those top 2 lines to do that...
    2. you dont seem to have any kind of a checking line...so teams like Canada will just run over this team...
    3. The defense is very questionable. Tyutin on the 1st pair? He is talented, but also horrible on defense...and u cant expect Grebeshkov, another offensive dman, to just cover up for Tyutin all the time. to me,Tyutin is not a 1st pair dman, not now, not later.
    4. your entire first line has NO WORLD CUP experience...i wouldnt put 3 guys on my first line with ZERO W.C. experience ever
    goalies are ok...although i would add khabibulin
     
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    Russian National Team 2010

    Ovechkin - Malkin - Zherdev
    Kovalchuk - Datsyuk - Grigorenko (I hope)
    Frolov - Svitov - Radulov Alexander
    Semin - Chubarov - Afinogenov

    Chistov - Yakubov - Suglobov


    others: LW: Mikhnov, Perezhogin, Shishkanov, Saprykin / RW: Arkhipov Denis, Polushin, Vorobiev Pavel

    Kalinin - Markov Andrei
    Tyutin - Babchuk Anton
    Semenov - Volchenkov
    Grebeshkov - Nikulin Ilya

    others: Denisov Denis, Lyamin Kirill

    GK:

    Nabokov
    Bryzgalov
    Khudobin
     
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    i am Russian myself and i know a thing or two about their players...but these teams u guys are posting are not even close...
    you guys really think the Russians are stupid enough to put 3 guys with no NATIONAL TEAM experience on the first line(ovechkin,malkin,zherdev)?
    i also dont get how kovalchuk is not on the 1st line? all of a sudden these young prospects are going to be better than him for sure?
    again, no size on the first 2 lines...spells goodbye for Russia

    the D pairings are the worst i've ever seen...KALININ and A.MARKOV, BABCHUK with TYUTIN? they are all OFFENSIVE DMAN...who will play DEFENSE on those pairs? the smart teams put an offensive dman with a DEFENSIVE dman. see, this is the kind of mentality that leads team Russia to LOSES: "lets just put our most talented guys together and forget about playing defense!"
     
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    4. Ovechkin already HAS W.C. experience.
    What experience are you talking about when previous W.C was held 8 YEARS ago? V. Lecavalier was named MVP and he had ZERO W.C. experience. What about Brad Richards play off experience? What about Toumo Ruutu at W.C.? How much experience he had? AO, EM and Zherdev going to be superstars and franchise players. They are going to lead their teams every single night. And these guys will have ZERO experience at top level. Ho! Ho!
    3. Tytin is an already 1st pair D. Ask NYR fan about this. They will answer you how this kid ruled at their D and how he pushed on the bench Mironov with his 3 mil. salary in his rookie season. He was their 1st D at the end of the season. Do you really think that 7 points in 25 games, solid "-4" in NYR team and 1st pair at his first season isn't enough? From where it comes that Tjtuin horrible at D? He is solid at D, I've seen him live, and he is very solid. Defenseman that isn't solid at D cannot be team 1st pair Defenseman.
    2. Checking line? Saprykin - Chubarov - Afanasenkov is good to me, at least it's better than Zherdev as a checker or such soft and " I don't know how my goalie looks like" players as Samsonov and Afinogenov in energy line.
    1. Lack of size? Only Datsyuk and Perezhogin are lower than 6'0 and I cannot remember that anyone crushes them or this fact hurts both of them in their development. Who is going to play physical? I think, it's imho, that we don't need power forwards we need hard working forwards. There aren't troubles in physical play (all NHL players are physical enough, I think). Some guys don't want to play hard at their own end. That's the trouble.
    I know, that my roster isn't good enough, cause It's only my roster, and there should be some veterans among forwards and defensemen like Kovalev, Kasparaitis, Malakhov, there should be some corrects but your notes aren't about this.
     
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    Goddamn it I already created this thread 3 weeks ago!!!
     
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    this is some HILARIOUS stuff! but i'll answer it anyway...

    1. i didnt mean just W.C. experience...i meant experience with the national team. there is also the OLYMPICS and other tournaments for the national team to play in...and ovechkin, malkin and zherdev never played for the national team unless its a U20 or under. and yes, experience does count. when ovechkin played in 1 game for the Russian national team in W.C. ... he was INVISIBLE. he will improve with time and he should be on the national team...just not on 1st line right away.
    2. Tyutin on 1st pair with the RANGERS? am i supposed to be impressed? the Rangers also at different points in time had guys like Mironov, Ulanov, and Karpa on their first pair! the Rangers never play any DEFENSE and they are not a team i would ever go by...i guess u do! I live in NY and have seen Tyutin play many times...he is very talented offensively but makes many mistakes on defense. He may turn into a 1st pair guy down the line maybe...however, its still stupid to pair him with another OFFENSIVE dman in Grebeshkov. if u havent noticed, you are supposed to pair offensive dman with defensive dman...but i guess u like leetch with poti scenarios ha :lol
    3. Afanasenkov, Chubarov and Saprykin is a checking line? They are all on the small side and Saprykin barely knows where the defensive end is while Afanasenkov cant get a regular shift with T.B. ! Zubrus is big, strong, has been the checking line center for CAPS all last season and did great for them and for the Russian nation team in W.C.
    4."all NHL players are physical enough, I think"...now thats just FUNNY :lol guys like zherdev and datsyuk are not physical and its not their style. they both are great talents and deserve a spot on the team...but they also need to have someone on their line who can dig the puck out for them and keep the play alive. if u dont have guys like Zubrus and Kvasha on your team...then your team will only be able to run and gun...without ever controlling the puck down low. so go with your run and gun, and then the other team figures u out and stops u at the blue line after a while :handclap: .Good luck with that! I mean, why do u think the Russian team went through so much trouble to make Zubrus eligible for their team? cause they know they cant win with 4 lines of finesse players...which is what u have with exception of frolov and chubarov(which is not enough).
     
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    Ovechkin played at the World Championships last season.

    ... and is not eligible with Russia for anything other than the World Cup.
     
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    yes,i know ovechkin played in W.C. and i even MENTIONED IT. guess u werent reading what i said:
    "when ovechkin played in 1 game for the Russian national team in W.C. ... he was INVISIBLE".
    why? cause he needs moer games with the national team before he can be thrown onto the 1st line ...as KAIZAR there wants him to be on 1st....


    and i also know about zubrus...he is not a fix all. if he cant play, u take guys like frolov and kvasha then
     
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    That's the World Cup. Ovechkin played in the World Cup AND in the World Championships.

    He also took part in the Euro hockey tour last season if that's what you mean by "other tournaments", and is taking part again this season (as is Zherdev).
     
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    i get what you are saying. but he has 1 game of WORLD CUP experience and no Olympics experience. He is also yet to play a single game in the NHL. so to me, he should get a spot on the National team, but he should not be thrown onto the 1st line right away. i think they should first place him on the 2nd line and give him some time to get used to things. Also, if you are going to throw him on the 1st line, at least put him with someone with some more World Cup and Olympics experience.
     
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    OK.

    FYI, Ovechkin already has 17 caps for national team without exhibition games. What do you mean this time?

    He played in 2 games. And he was very good in his first game, but wasn't good enough in his second. Do you mean anything else? It's only beginning and there are already 2 mistakes in your post.

    I'm impressed a lot cause being top defender for NHL team in his first season is great. I've seen him not only at TV and I've seen his game live too. He looks very solid to me.

    Well, we aren't talking about what team is a team you would ever go by in NHL.

    Really ? From where doest it go that Tjtuin is offensive defenseman or Grebeshkov? They are good at both ends. But there is no need to name offensive defenseman every guy who can carry puck across the red line. FYI, 2003 WJC team (the best i've ever seen) was loaned with a lot of "offencive" (you said) defensemen: Koltsov, Grebeshkov, Kondratiev, Tjutin and they were OK. Canadiens, that should crash them all, cause there were a lot of "offensive" (you said) defensemen, cannot do anything. So what ?

    First, they know it better than Samsonov and Afinogenov (your lineup)
    Second, if you prefer Samsonov and Afinogenov over Chubarov in terms of defensive and PK play there is something wrong or do you mean something else?
    Third, Afanasenkov can not get regular shift in TB (you said) despite he played with Lecavalier some weeks, than he played as defencive specialist, was on of the MIP this year and there was that very good defensive shift against Flyers (Modin - Richards - Afansenkov), he was good at W.C too.

    Of course it's not their style, and I'm not expecting that Datsuyk will hurt someone with gigantic hit but could you post there names of guys who checked or destroyed Datsuyk in NHL. Please. I need facts.

    Yes... if you playing dump&chase or run&gun style of play than you need it. But why do you think that Frolov, Ovechkin, Saprykin and Chubarov can not do the same thing? Are you Zubrus and Kvasha fan ? I liked Zubrus performance at W.C. too but why are you so high on Kvasha? He didn't show anything spectacular and, imho, he was there only cause Yashin was there too.

    I hadn't hear about troubles. Any link?
     
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    KAIZER, lets see, i'll try to keep this short:

    1. Ovechkin can have 100 caps with the national team, it wont matter to me. he still has only 2 games in the W.C. and no Olympics experience. He also has ZERO experience in the NHL. so until he gets more experience, he should not be thrown on the 1st line in the Olympics or W.C....2nd line maybe

    2. about Tyutin, he is an offensive dman. not because he can rush up ice, but because thats what he is best at, not defense. i saw him with NYR and with HARTFORD...he can play defense, just not CONSISTENTLY. if u cant play defense consistently, u wont go far in the W.C. or in the Olympics...where the BEST forwards in the world will make you look BAD :lol

    3. no, we are not discussing NHL teams here, but you seem impressed that Tyutin made it to the first pair with the NYR. the team he made it with DOES matter because NYR put ANYONE on the 1st pair...SATHER has ZERO clue about defense.

    4. about the 2003 Russian WJC team, it had very SOLID defensive dmen like VOLCHENKOV who were able to stabilize the defense while guys like Tyutin were on the PP.

    5. my checking line was not Afinogenov and Chubarov(thats my ENERGY 4TH line). my checking line was the 3rd line with Zubrus, Kvasha. i'll take those two over Saprykin and Afanasenkov ANY time for a checking line...Zubrus and Kvasha have more size and also play more physical style of game.

    6. "I'm not expecting that Datsuyk will hurt someone with gigantic hit but could you post there names of guys who checked or destroyed Datsuyk in NHL"...what is your point here? i wasnt saying anyone destroys them, i dont care about that. i said those guys need someone physical on their line to help them on the boards...

    7."if you playing dump&chase or run&gun style of play than you need it. But why do you think that Frolov, Ovechkin, Saprykin and Chubarov can not do the same thing?"
    Frolov and Chubarov can play dump and chase...ovechkin and saprykin, NOT REALLY. so you are left with two physical forwards, frolov and chubarov, to help out on 4 forward lines??? thats not enough...u want to have at least 1 physical guy on each line or so...IF u want to contend against a team like Canada or U.S.

    8. about Zubrus, the Russians had to clear things with the Lithuanians to make sure Zubrus can be eligible to join team Russia. the Russian coach said that Zubrus will be key to his team even before the team started playing...and Zubrus was key as their checking line center...he even created some offense along the boards.

    Again, i'm not saying they have to have Zubrus...i'm saying they need more than just frolov and chubarov surrounded by 10 finesse players.
     
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