News Article: Positive test, negative results — Sens victim of bad COVID checks?

[AchtzehnBaby]

Egan: Positive test, negative results — Sens victim of bad COVID checks? | Ottawa Citizen

"The sequence of test results went: positive, negative, negative, positive. Boom, out for 10 days. Honestly, did he have COVID?"

Witness Drake Batherson. He had a positive test Saturday morning, then a negative PCR test. Still on the same day, a third test in the afternoon — this one a so-called antigen — came up with another negative. He proceeds to play Saturday, and rather brilliantly against Pittsburgh, only to have a positive test on Sunday.

So the sequence of test results went: positive, negative, negative, positive. Boom, out for 10 days. Honestly, did he have COVID? Who even knows?

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[bicboi64]

don't wanna frame it as potentially 'good', but the silver lining of this situation is players who have non-covid injuries getting a chance to heal up and for the team to take some time to reflect on their play

 

[DrEasy]

Even our tests are cheap!
(just a joke, Melnyk employees!)

 

[Tuna99]

Egan: Positive test, negative results — Sens victim of bad COVID checks? | Ottawa Citizen

"The sequence of test results went: positive, negative, negative, positive. Boom, out for 10 days. Honestly, did he have COVID?"

Witness Drake Batherson. He had a positive test Saturday morning, then a negative PCR test. Still on the same day, a third test in the afternoon — this one a so-called antigen — came up with another negative. He proceeds to play Saturday, and rather brilliantly against Pittsburgh, only to have a positive test on Sunday.

So the sequence of test results went: positive, negative, negative, positive. Boom, out for 10 days. Honestly, did he have COVID? Who even knows?

welcome to the real world Drake. Some people have to be tested daily or 2-3 times a week and if you get a negative you get sent home without salary.

To me the big thing is the NHL didn’t cancel games sooner - risking the players and coaches long term health in the process. You wonder if we had a more respected owner if it could of gone differently.

I didn’t mind seeing Sokolov and Thomson play - but the Ottawa Senators came 2nd to Air Canada flight schedules and time zones and that’s total BS

 

[Micklebot]

Egan: Positive test, negative results — Sens victim of bad COVID checks? | Ottawa Citizen

"The sequence of test results went: positive, negative, negative, positive. Boom, out for 10 days. Honestly, did he have COVID?"

Witness Drake Batherson. He had a positive test Saturday morning, then a negative PCR test. Still on the same day, a third test in the afternoon — this one a so-called antigen — came up with another negative. He proceeds to play Saturday, and rather brilliantly against Pittsburgh, only to have a positive test on Sunday.

So the sequence of test results went: positive, negative, negative, positive. Boom, out for 10 days. Honestly, did he have COVID? Who even knows?

This feels like click bait. The article itself is talking about how Covid screening isn't perfect so infection can still work its way into the room and spread before you lock things down, while this quote makes it seem like it's about tests that don't work and even if you get a positive result you have no idea whether it's a true positive.

10 players tested positive, sure, there might be a false positive in the mix, but the virus was 100% in the room and spreading.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

This feels like click bait. The article itself is talking about how Covid screening isn't perfect so infection can still work its way into the room and spread before you lock things down, while this quote makes it seem like it's about tests that don't work and even if you get a positive result you have no idea whether it's a true positive.

10 players tested positive, sure, there might be a false positive in the mix, but the virus was 100% in the room and spreading.

This is the best quote:

But, thanks to the reporting of our Bruce Garrioch, there are suggestions the league-mandated testing regime has some weaknesses — on a team of fully vaccinated players..

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Likely the viral load is straddling the detection threshold (detection limits) of the test. This scenario is more likely in fully vaccinated people and more likely again in asymptomatic infections. There is some variance in detection thresholds between test types and manufacturers.

It's very unlikely to have two false positives whether antigen or PCR. Especially when there is a plausible transmission chain,

 

[Rand0m]

welcome to the real world Drake. Some people have to be tested daily or 2-3 times a week and if you get a negative you get sent home without salary.

To me the big thing is the NHL didn’t cancel games sooner - risking the players and coaches long term health in the process. You wonder if we had a more respected owner if it could of gone differently.

I didn’t mind seeing Sokolov and Thomson play - but the Ottawa Senators came 2nd to Air Canada flight schedules and time zones and that’s total BS

On one hand, everyone on the team should be vaccinated so the risk of long term health issues is significantly mitigated. We're no longer in the same situation as last season when there was still a lot of unknowns and vaccines weren't so widespread.

It's also proof that the vaccines are working. Obviously there was an outbreak and most players seem to have been exposed to a significant viral load, especially if so many vaccinated players are testing positive. But the Negative/Positive tests just show that the virus, although present, is really having a hard time taking over because of the vaccine and the resulting antibodies that should still be active.

I wonder if the physical stress of playing an NHL game on Saturday could have weakened his immune response (even just for a little bit) enough for the virus to replicate a bit, causing a positive test on Sunday.

 

[guyzeur]

I don't really care about the tests right now, I'm still upset with the fact the NHL should have quarantined Chicago last week of October (we've played them Nov 1st)

NHL COVID-19 case tracker 2021-22: Updated list of players to miss games this season

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

That's been my question about this entire thing. How can a fully vaxxed team have that many "breakthrough" cases? It isn't logical. It has to be a problem with the tests or how the tests are administered/read.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

That's been my question about this entire thing. How can a fully vaxxed team have that many "breakthrough" cases? It isn't logical. It has to be a problem with the tests or how the tests are administered/read.

With delta the attack rate in fully vaccinated people (depending on vaccine type, timing, individual health and demographic factors) can still be quite high - up to 50%. Vaccines provide excellent protection against serious illness, but waning effectiveness against low grad or asymptomatic infection.

There have been many documented outbreaks in fully vaccinated groups with single case exposures (like a ship on a port visit where a crew member brings the virus on board) that aligns with predictive modelling.

 

[slamigo]

That's been my question about this entire thing. How can a fully vaxxed team have that many "breakthrough" cases? It isn't logical. It has to be a problem with the tests or how the tests are administered/read.

It is totally logical. If 100% of the population is vaccinated, then 100% of all positive tests will be in vaccinated people. The vaccine is strongest against severe illness, hospitalization and death. It has effectiveness of 95% or more in preventing those outcomes. But with contracting Covid in the first place, the vaccine isn't perfect. It's at best somewhere between 70-90% effective. And that isn't applied to each person as a one off event. You have a 10-30% chance of contracting Covid with EACH EXPOSURE. Not overall. So the more you are exposed to Covid, the higher the likelihood that you will contract it. It was like this even before vaccines. The more contact a person has with another person with Covid, the higher the likelihood of contracting Covid. So these guys are all stuck together in small spaces (bench, locker room, bus, plane, etc) and one asymptomatic Covid case can quite easily and rapidly spread.

And people say 'oh it doesn't matter because they're athletes'. Well, they have families, some with children/spouses/family members with compromised immune systems or are not eligible for vaccination. None of these players wants to bring Covid home to their households.

 

[Rand0m]

It is totally logical. If 100% of the population is vaccinated, then 100% of all positive tests will be in vaccinated people. The vaccine is strongest against severe illness, hospitalization and death. It has effectiveness of 95% or more in preventing those outcomes. But with contracting Covid in the first place, the vaccine isn't perfect. It's at best somewhere between 70-90% effective. And that isn't applied to each person as a one off event. You have a 10-30% chance of contracting Covid with EACH EXPOSURE. Not overall. So the more you are exposed to Covid, the higher the likelihood that you will contract it. It was like this even before vaccines. The more contact a person has with another person with Covid, the higher the likelihood of contracting Covid. So these guys are all stuck together in small spaces (bench, locker room, bus, plane, etc) and one asymptomatic Covid case can quite easily and rapidly spread.

And people say 'oh it doesn't matter because they're athletes'. Well, they have families, some with children/spouses/family members with compromised immune systems or are not eligible for vaccination. None of these players wants to bring Covid home to their households.

Yup, the different outcomes of Covid have a lot to do with the viral load you're exposed to.

In a fairly recently fully vaccinated individual, a low viral load is unlikely to be enough to cause a breakthrough infection as the active antibodies would normally have a chance to counteract the virus.

In the same recently fully vaccinated individual, a high viral load of the Delta variant can still overwhelm the active antibodies and cause a breakthrough infection. Luckily, the immune system is generally still equipped to fight any adverse effects of the virus even with a breakthrough infection making hospitalization unlikely and death even more so.

The fact that sooo many players got infected seems to imply they were all in a situation where someone was extremely contagious at that time of exposure. I'm really curious how this happened, did a few players spend a night out on the town when they were in Texas?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Yup, the different outcomes of Covid have a lot to do with the viral load you're exposed to.

In a fairly recently fully vaccinated individual, a low viral load is unlikely to be enough to cause a breakthrough infection as the active antibodies would normally have a chance to counteract the virus.

In the same recently fully vaccinated individual, a high viral load of the Delta variant can still overwhelm the active antibodies and cause a breakthrough infection. Luckily, the immune system is generally still equipped to fight any adverse effects of the virus even with a breakthrough infection making hospitalization unlikely and death even more so.

The fact that sooo many players got infected seems to imply they were all in a situation where someone was extremely contagious at that time of exposure. I'm really curious how this happened, did a few players spend a night out on the town when they were in Texas?

Brady’s mom!

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Ralph Malfredsson]

With delta the attack rate in fully vaccinated people (depending on vaccine type, timing, individual health and demographic factors) can still be quite high - up to 50%. Vaccines provide excellent protection against serious illness, but waning effectiveness against low grad or asymptomatic infection.

There have been many documented outbreaks in fully vaccinated groups with single case exposures (like a ship on a port visit where a crew member brings the virus on board) that aligns with predictive modelling.

this man speaks the truth

 

[OD99]

This is the exact reason it needed to be addressed earlier...3 of 4 kids in a single home.

Have to imagine others outside of the org but related to personnel were infected too and they just didn't make it public.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Remaining in a bubble on the road as they did last year is the way to go to mitigate against the risk. Keep the circles small at home.

The New York Islanders will be without several key players ahead of their first-ever game in their new home, UBS Arena, on Saturday night against Calgary. Adam Pelech, Andy Greene and Anthony Beauvillier were added to the COVID-19 protocol list on Saturday, joining captain Anders Lee, Josh Bailey and Ross Johnston.
Another player added today. 7 now

I think the NHL / NHLPA should mandate a bubble on the road

 

[Answer]

I don't really care about the tests right now, I'm still upset with the fact the NHL should have quarantined Chicago last week of October (we've played them Nov 1st)

NHL COVID-19 case tracker 2021-22: Updated list of players to miss games this season

We hardly showed up for that game so they should be good

 

[guyzeur]

We hardly showed up for that game so they should be good

You misunderstood my comment. I'm blaming the NHL for not acting sooner with COVID, Sens shouldn't have played that game vs Chicago*.


* The most-accepted Chicago meaning is a word that comes from the Algonquin language: “shikaakwa,” meaning “striped skunk” or “onion.” According to early explorers, the lakes and streams around Chicago were full of wild onions, leeks, and ramps.

 

[guyzeur]

This is the exact reason it needed to be addressed earlier...3 of 4 kids in a single home.

Have to imagine others outside of the org but related to personnel were infected too and they just didn't make it public.

If a COVID death happens to a family member of a player that can be linked to the NHL lack of judgment - like with the Sens, they're going to be sued for a lot.