Please Vote for the Six Best Players Listed

[Elvis P]

Please Vote for the Six Best Players Listed. They're listed in random order.

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[Dr Pepper]

Went with the top five, plus Bossy.

Something about nine straight 50+ goal seasons, it just feels special.

 

[wetcoast]

Went with the top five, plus Bossy.

Something about nine straight 50+ goal seasons, it just feels special.

First 5 then Bourque who obviously was much better than Bossy all time.

 

[bobholly39]

In order:

Crosby
Roy
Jagr
Bourque/Ovechkin/Hasek. Bit unsure in what order these 3 fall

Lidstrom would be #7

 

[ManofSteel55]

I went with the top 5, and Bourque. I was really torn for the 5 and 6 spot between three guys - Lidstrom, Bourque, and Roy. I chose both of the defensemen, and I'm not going to specify which order, because I can't decide between those 2 and I don't have to, ha ha. That leaves Roy on the outside looking in, which I'm not especially comfortable with, but I can't justify him above any of the other six either.

 

[Elvis P]

In order:
Crosby
Roy
Jagr
Bourque/Ovechkin/Hasek. Bit unsure in what order these 3 fall
Lidstrom would be #7

If you switch OV and Lidstrom, that's who I have.

 

[Bouboumaster]

In order:

Crosby
Jagr
Hasek
Lafleur/Bourque
Ovechkin

 

[norrisnick]

F - Gretzky
F - Howe
D - Orr
F - Lemieux
D - Lidstrom
G - Hasek

D - Bourque
G - Roy
F - Ovechkin
F - Jagr
F - Crosby
D - Harvey

Bold are my votes. Beliveau would have been considered right at that Ov, Jagr, Crosby cluster. I like to do sets of 3F, 2D, 1G to keep things balanced.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Top 5 + Bourque. So that leaves Roy out. Who would he overtake?

 

[centipede2233]

Top 5 + Bourque. So that leaves Roy out. Who would he overtake?

That’s who I took, but if you look at jagr’s playoff stats, they are underwelming compared to his regular season. I think I’d have Roy over Jagr for that reason.

 

[Regal]

That’s who I took, but if you look at jagr’s playoff stats, they are underwelming compared to his regular season. I think I’d have Roy over Jagr for that reason.

That’s only really due to games played outside of his prime though. His team went to the finals at 18 and 40 which is about a quarter of his playoff games. From 19-35 he had 168 points in 145 games, which is the 3rd most points in that time frame after Sakic and Forsberg, and the only guys with a better points per game with over 50 games during that time were Lemieux and Gretzky

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Crosby
Roy
Jagr
Ovechkin
Hasek
Bourque

 

[DearDiary]

Best as in what? Ability? Career? Peak?

 

[Felidae]

That’s only really due to games played outside of his prime though. His team went to the finals at 18 and 40 which is about a quarter of his playoff games. From 19-35 he had 168 points in 145 games, which is the 3rd most points in that time frame after Sakic and Forsberg, and the only guys with a better points per game with over 50 games during that time were Lemieux and Gretzky

In fairness you could argue that's still underwhelming (for him anyways), given that he routinely outproduced Sakic and Forsberg by fairly large margins in the regular season. The gap closed significantly in the postseason to the point you could say there is none at all and actually in favour of Sakic and Forsberg given their two way play.

 

[amnesiac]

Crosby
Jagr
Hasek
Ovi
Bourque
Roy
Lidstrom
Espo/Lafleur
Sakic
Yzerman
Bossy

 

[amnesiac]

Went with the top five, plus Bossy.

Something about nine straight 50+ goal seasons, it just feels special.

in the highest scoring era ever

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I went top 5 + Roy but could have been Bourque or Flower

 

[Dr Pepper]

in the highest scoring era ever

Correct.

He's still the only one to ever pull it off.....and I doubt that'll change any time soon.

 

[amnesiac]

Correct.

He's still the only one to ever pull it off.....and I doubt that'll change any time soon.

with scoring going up again, I think Bedard may have a shot.

Depends how much higher scoring will get, and should go up again with 2 more expansion teams on the way

scoring currently at 6.2 GPG, Bossy's era 7-8 GPG

 

[bobholly39]

In fairness you could argue that's still underwhelming (for him anyways), given that he routinely outproduced Sakic and Forsberg by fairly large margins in the regular season. The gap closed significantly in the postseason to the point you could say there is none at all and actually in favour of Sakic and Forsberg given their two way play.

I don't know that I would even say that.

Jagr's peak is 1994-1995 to 2000-2001.

Regular season:

Jagr 1.54 ppg
Lindros 1.35 ppg
Sakic 1.30 ppg
Forsberg 1.24 ppg

Playoffs

Jagr 1.23 ppg
Lindros 1.14 ppg
Sakic 1.14 ppg
Forsberg 1.14 ppf

Certainly the gap closed a bit maybe, but Jagr is still clear #1 (I left out Lemieux fyi).

And in terms of being clutch in the playoffs - I know Forsberg and certainly Sakic are great in that regards, but are they even better then Jagr? Jagr is the all-time leader in playoff points that either tie a game/give the lead in 3rd period/OT - 39 points.

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Jagr often gets a bad reputation for playoffs, but he was actually a terrific playoff performer.

 

[Dr Pepper]

with scoring going up again, I think Bedard may have a shot.

Depends how much higher scoring will get, and should go up again with 2 more expansion teams on the way

scoring currently at 6.2 GPG, Bossy's era 7-8 GPG

Ten years from now you may be right about Bedard......wouldn't mind seeing him take a huge step forward next season.

 

[amnesiac]

Ten years from now you may be right about Bedard......wouldn't mind seeing him take a huge step forward next season.

really depends how well the Blackhawks can build the team, obviously literally starting from the bottom. This summer's pick should be a good one.

Bossy was quite blessed having a Trottier and Potvin from the get go, and for the rest of his career (10 seaosns). Not sure if Bedard will be as fortunate, but he definintely has the tools to score 50-60+ regularly.

 

[Johnny Tomala]

Crosby, Jagr, Ovechkin, Hasek, Lidstrom, Esposito.

 

[Felidae]

I don't know that I would even say that.

Jagr's peak is 1994-1995 to 2000-2001.

Regular season:

Jagr 1.54 ppg
Lindros 1.35 ppg
Sakic 1.30 ppg
Forsberg 1.24 ppg

Playoffs

Jagr 1.23 ppg
Lindros 1.14 ppg
Sakic 1.14 ppg
Forsberg 1.14 ppf

Certainly the gap closed a bit maybe, but Jagr is still clear #1 (I left out Lemieux fyi).

And in terms of being clutch in the playoffs - I know Forsberg and certainly Sakic are great in that regards, but are they even better then Jagr? Jagr is the all-time leader in playoff points that either tie a game/give the lead in 3rd period/OT - 39 points.

Top 100 Players Since 1979/80 for 3rd Period/OT Game-Tying or Go-Ahead Goals in Playoffs

Source was Hockey References' game finder, I went through and added up totals for players that either tied the game up in the 3rd period, or scored go-ahead goals in either the 3rd period or Overtime. Active players are in bold/capitalized. RankPlayerGoals 1Brett Hull20 2Joe Sakic19 3Jaromir...

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Jagr often gets a bad reputation for playoffs, but he was actually a terrific playoff performer.

I mean, even looking at the stats you posted, Jagr's point per game gap over his peers dropped quite a bit.

To put it into perspective. His point per game rate over the course of a full season was 16 points higher than Lindros, 20 points higher than Sakic, and 25 points higher than Forsberg.

The gap over all those players using their playoff PPG drops to "just" 8. Then when you consider less games played in the postseason, yeah..

"Gap closed a bit" is underselling it.

It closed quite a lot.

 

[kevsh]

Surprised (but not surprised) Esposito doesn't get more love.

Led the league in goals 6 straight years, in points 4 straight years (and 5 out of 6), four 60+ goal seasons, among players with 1000+ games he's 4th in PPG and 5th in GPG.

Also strange, all that love for Ovi (deserved) primarily for being an elite goal scorer but almost none for Bossy