I still think fedorov should’ve won the conn smythe that year or 98.I doubt that Selanne received any serious consideration Pahlsson and Getzlaf at least would have gotten it before him among forwards.
Hasek had a Conn Smythe quality playoffs but you're right that the team he had around him would have taken away from him. I'd say that he also had to compete against memories of The Dominator, and while he was very good in 2002 he was not the peak Hasek of recent memory.
Modano would’ve won it in 2000 had they been able to beat jersey.I agree with most of your comments. I think Modano was better and more valuable than Nieuwendyk in 1999, and Nieuwendyk got the Conn Smythe largely due to his six game-winning goals (which was, at the time, the single-year record).
GWG are often a dubious stat. But in this case, Nieuwendyk really did score big goals for the Stars:
- game 3 vs Edmonton: gave Dallas a 3-2 lead with eight minutes remaining in 3rd period
- game 4 vs Edmonton: scored series-ending triple OT goal (plus tying goal late in 2nd period)
- game 2 vs St. Louis: scored OT goal (plus tying goal early in 2nd period)
- game 2 vs Colorado: gave Dallas a 3-2 lead with eight minutes remaining in 3rd period
- game 3 vs Colorado: a bit less heroic than the other examples, but scored the first goal in a 3-0 win (he scored/assisted on all three Dallas goals)
- game 4 vs Colorado: assisted on Hull's tying goal with less than four minutes left in third period (though Colorado won it in overtime)
- game 5 vs Colorado: gave Dallas a 3-2 lead early in the 2nd (the Stars lost as Forsberg had three points in the second half of the game)
- game 6 vs Colorado: assisted on Langenbrunner's goal that gave Dallas a 3-2 lead in the third period
- game 3 vs Buffalo: gave Dallas a 2-1 lead midway through the third period
I see the argument for Nieuwendyk, and it's pretty much the same argument as Williams over Kopitar in 2014(*). Clutch scoring vs a player who gets far more ice time and is much stronger defensively. It's a matter of preference, but I'd rank Modano over Nieuwendyk in 1999, and Kopitar over Williams in 2014, so I like to think I'm being consistent.
* At least in 2014, Williams had a huge SC Finals series, while Kopitar's offense dropped off. In 1999, Modano outscored and outplayed Nieuwendyk in that series (for those who think the finals do or should carry more weight).
What about Andy McDonald you think he got any votes.I doubt that Selanne received any serious consideration Pahlsson and Getzlaf at least would have gotten it before him among forwards.
Hasek had a Conn Smythe quality playoffs but you're right that the team he had around him would have taken away from him. I'd say that he also had to compete against memories of The Dominator, and while he was very good in 2002 he was not the peak Hasek of recent memory.
I doubt that Andy McDonald received Conn Smythe votes.I still think fedorov should’ve won the conn smythe that year or 98.
Modano would’ve won it in 2000 had they been able to beat jersey.
What about Andy McDonald you think he got any votes.
He should’ve he scored 7 points in 5 games and had 14 points total in the playoffs.I doubt that Andy McDonald received Conn Smythe votes.
I think either Modano or Belfour would've been the right choice in 2000. Modano was 2nd in points (1 behind Hull) while also providing strong 2 way play. Belfour, meanwhile, stole the Colorado series, and even made the finals against NJ seem closer than it really was.Modano would’ve won it in 2000 had they been able to beat jersey.
As the years have gone by I've believed more strongly that Letang should've won it. The forward depth was insane on that team, but no one stood out individually the way Letang did on their much less deeper defense. Edit: regardless of who one thinks should've won it, no one had a great enough postseason to claim they were robbed of the CS in 2016.Kris Letang in 2016.
Kessel was the first or second best forward on the team that year when the forwards more or less got it done by committee.Weird way to spell Phil Kessel.
What about Teemu do you think him or Rob niedermayer got any smythe votes obviously rob’s brother got votes, pronger got votes, moen & Pahlsson probably got votes giggy probably got a couple to a few third place votes i always wondered who got votes for the ducks, alfie probably got 3 or 4 third place votes, & heatley probably got one but idk does anyone have the conn smythe voting from that year, and does anyone have the conn smythe voting from when the wings won in 08 the top three wings in voting my guess is zetterberg was 1st, datsyuk was 2nd & osgood was third, Cuz Ozzie had 2 shutouts in the finals, unless franzen was third, & does anyone have the conn smythe voting for 2011, 2012, & 2014. And do you think in 95 Broten got any votes cuz he had more points than lemieux plus one more game winning goal, obviously Stevens & niedermayer got votes & richer probably got votes but idk.I doubt that Andy McDonald received Conn Smythe votes.
I can't imagine why Selanne or Rob Niedermayer would get any votes even if voters could select three players each.What about Teemu do you think him or Rob niedermayer got any smythe votes obviously rob’s brother got votes, pronger got votes, moen & Pahlsson probably got votes giggy probably got a couple to a few third place votes i always wondered who got votes for the ducks, alfie probably got 3 or 4 third place votes, & heatley probably got one but idk does anyone have the conn smythe voting from that year, and does anyone have the conn smythe voting from when the wings won in 08 the top three wings in voting my guess is zetterberg was 1st, datsyuk was 2nd & osgood was third, Cuz Ozzie had 2 shutouts in the finals, unless franzen was third, & does anyone have the conn smythe voting for 2011, 2012, & 2014. And do you think in 95 Broten got any votes cuz he had more points than lemieux plus one more game winning goal, obviously Stevens & niedermayer got votes & richer probably got votes but idk.
I still think niedermayer had a better playoff in 95 & 03. Compared to 07.I can't imagine why Selanne or Rob Niedermayer would get any votes even if voters could select three players each.
I wonder if osgood, lidstrom & Holmstrom got votes in 98,I can't imagine why Selanne or Rob Niedermayer would get any votes even if voters could select three players each.
Fedorov definitely should have won over Vernon in 97. That was highway robbery.
Kane over Keith or Crawford in 2013 seemed odd.
Agreed on fedorov I wonder who got votes in 98 & 08. If I had to guess lidstrom was second in voting in 98 followed by osgood & holmstrom, 08 it was probably datsyuk who had the second most votes after zetterberg who won it than behind datsyuk was probably osgood than the mule franzen in 4th.Fedorov definitely should have won over Vernon in 97. That was highway robbery.
Kane over Keith or Crawford in 2013 seemed odd.
I agree I think krejci would’ve won it had Boston won.Crawford wasn't in my top 5 in 2013, he'd be even odder than Kane.
The best player in the 2013 playoffs was David Krejci, but he's not really eligible because he lost. So, Duncan Keith is the next best choice.
Went back and found my notes from 2013, and this was my last rank...
1. David Krejci, C, Bos
2. Tuukka Rask, G, Bos
3. Duncan Keith, D, Chi
4. Patrick Sharp, LW, Chi
5. Zdeno Chara, D, Bos
Bryan Bickell was pretty good in that playoff he was second in scoring for the hawks 9 goals 8 assists 17 points.Crawford wasn't in my top 5 in 2013, he'd be even odder than Kane.
The best player in the 2013 playoffs was David Krejci, but he's not really eligible because he lost. So, Duncan Keith is the next best choice.
Went back and found my notes from 2013, and this was my last rank...
1. David Krejci, C, Bos
2. Tuukka Rask, G, Bos
3. Duncan Keith, D, Chi
4. Patrick Sharp, LW, Chi
5. Zdeno Chara, D, Bos
Tangentially related question. A Conn Smythe winner on a losing team is almost always a goalie. Who are some skaters who had “put the team on their back” efforts in a SCF loss?
Tangentially related question. A Conn Smythe winner on a losing team is almost always a goalie. Who are some skaters who had “put the team on their back” efforts in a SCF loss?
If the Oilers made the finals last year but lost, do you think one of their duo wins it?Crosby in 2008
Briere in 2010
Possibly. They were racking up ridiculous points.If the Oilers made the finals last year but lost, do you think one of their duo wins it?