Proposal: PIT - OTT

[Gurglesons]

Josh Norris for Reilly Smith / Rickard Rakell / Ryan Graves + 2nd / 3rd

Ottawa dumps albatross contract. PIT sends back one of their contracts and depending on the contract receive a small incentive.

Smith for Norris + 2nd would be ideal from PIT’s end.

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[MisterT]

You mean the bad contract that likely appears to be heading towards LTIR before expiring without having to give up a 2nd with the pleasure of also accepting another terrible contract.

 

[SpezDispenser]

That's a no.

 

[chethejet]

If the Sens get back to a real playoff team next year, They now have to get over the hump here and add a top player in Karlsson which they have assets to give up to a rebuilding Pens. No brainer to me.

 

[inthewings]

That's a no.

Wait, why? Norris' contract is completely underwater at this point.

You mean the bad contract that likely appears to be heading towards LTIR before expiring without having to give up a 2nd with the pleasure of also accepting another terrible contract.

We don't know what Andlauer's limit will be for payroll expenditure. Norris is owed 52.1M in real dollars after this season. Smith is owed 4M. Ottawa would be paying a 2nd round pick to save 48M. There's no way Pittsburgh would agree to this, and I can't believe Ottawa fans are balking.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Think the sens say yes to Norris for Smith don’t even need to add the pick. Get some breathing room.

 

[Gurglesons]

Think the sens say yes to Norris for Smith don’t even need to add the pick. Get some breathing room.

Wouldn’t do it for Smith without an asset coming back. Pens can probably get out of that contract this summer much easier than taking back Norris.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Wouldn’t do it for Smith without an asset coming back. Pens can probably get out of that contract this summer much easier than taking back Norris.

Ok saw the first paragraph though you were adding the pick.

Think Ottawa jumps on it even with them adding a pick.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Wait, why? Norris' contract is completely underwater at this point.


We don't know what Andlauer's limit will be for payroll expenditure. Norris is owed 52.1M in real dollars after this season. Smith is owed 4M. Ottawa would be paying a 2nd round pick to save 48M. There's no way Pittsburgh would agree to this, and I can't believe Ottawa fans are balking.

If he's damaged, he goes on LTIR. If he can get fixed properly, he's an asset. What's the rush?

 

[Dan Patrick]

If he's damaged, he goes on LTIR. If he can get fixed properly, he's an asset. What's the rush?

Also isn’t a portion of LTIR salary usually insured?

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Wouldn’t do it for Smith without an asset coming back. Pens can probably get out of that contract this summer much easier than taking back Norris.

Correct, an asset needs to be coming back our way or might as well keep Smith and flip him next deadline

 

[Gurglesons]

If he's damaged, he goes on LTIR. If he can get fixed properly, he's an asset. What's the rush?

The Ottawa Senators wanting to be a good team?

 

[SpezDispenser]

The Ottawa Senators wanting to be a good team?

I don't think that's going to get in the way - if our new management doesn't suck. Norris is a good player, a solid asset - IF he isn't damaged. If he is, then he needs to go on LTIR until he's better - however long that takes.

Maybe the emergence of Pinto and Greig make him expendable, but I don't think Ottawa and their management should be in a rush to dump him until they know exactly where he and they are at.

 

[SEALBound]

I suggested:

Karlsson+Rakell for Chabot+Norris

Cap swaps are nearly even.

 

[MisterT]

We don't know what Andlauer's limit will be for payroll expenditure. Norris is owed 52.1M in real dollars after this season. Smith is owed 4M. Ottawa would be paying a 2nd round pick to save 48M. There's no way Pittsburgh would agree to this, and I can't believe Ottawa fans are balking.

Until Norris is cleared to play again, the only party paying anything at this time is insurance. So why would Andlauer pay Smith $4M when he will not be out of pocket on Norris if his career is over? If Norris recovers from this round of shoulder surgery, the ceiling is higher for Ottawa on Norris.

 

[inthewings]

I don't think that's going to get in the way - if our new management doesn't suck. Norris is a good player, a solid asset - IF he isn't damaged. If he is, then he needs to go on LTIR until he's better - however long that takes.

Maybe the emergence of Pinto and Greig make him expendable, but I don't think Ottawa and their management should be in a rush to dump him until they know exactly where he and they are at.

That makes sense if Andlauer will greenlight unlimited payroll expenditures. I hope he is. But if he's not, a 2nd round pick is a really, really cheap way to save 48M, which can then be reallocated. And even if Andlauer is 100% willing to pay Norris to LTIR, there's downside risk of Norris getting healthy enough to play, but never actually being the player he was before.

Basically, I think Ottawa would and should jump at the opportunity to move on from a compromised asset at a very reasonable price. But it's a moot point anyway, because it would cost a lot more than a 2nd + Reilly Smith's contract to move Norris.

 

[Bileur]

That makes sense if Andlauer will greenlight unlimited payroll expenditures. I hope he is. But if he's not, a 2nd round pick is a really, really cheap way to save 48M, which can then be reallocated. And even if Andlauer is 100% willing to pay Norris to LTIR, there's downside risk of Norris getting healthy enough to play, but never actually being the player he was before.

Basically, I think Ottawa would and should jump at the opportunity to move on from a compromised asset at a very reasonable price. But it's a moot point anyway, because it would cost a lot more than a 2nd + Reilly Smith's contract to move Norris.

I agree with this.

I think the sens best option is to keep him and hope he gets over this injury hurdle like Tarasenko did.

In the event he isn’t able to get over it, LTIRetirement is likely the outcome.

 

[inthewings]

Until Norris is cleared to play again, the only party paying anything at this time is insurance. So why would Andlauer pay Smith $4M when he will not be out of pocket on Norris if his career is over? If Norris recovers from this round of shoulder surgery, the ceiling is higher for Ottawa on Norris.

Is Norris' contract 100% insured?

Either way, The risk of Norris coming back a year from now looking nothing like the player he was is high enough that I'd move him. Not a team in the league would give Norris anything close to a 52M guarantee right now, so I don't understand why Ottawa would hesitate to rid themselves of it for a pittance.

 

[Merc29]

Could there be a deal around Karlsson for chychrun?

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

I say we also throw in Jeff Carter then call it a done deal.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Could there be a deal around Karlsson for chychrun?

I wouldn't personally do it as Chych is like 8 years younger but I think it's the only realistic way that trade happens.

PIT would have to retain $2-3M of Karlsson's salary, but they would get a younger player with similar production at less or the same cost for the next 3 years, and then even less once EK's deal is done.

OTT traded 12th overall plus for Chychrun so flipping him for the final 3-5 years of EK past his prime is not a wise move, in my opinion. Hope Staios learns from Dorion from when he traded a 23 year old Zibanejad for a 2 years of a 29 year old in Derrick Brassard.

If they move Chychrun it should be for something who can help both now and in 5 years, and Karlsson is not that.

 

[Gurglesons]

I wouldn't personally do it as Chych is like 8 years younger but I think it's the only realistic way that trade happens.

PIT would have to retain $2-3M of Karlsson's salary, but they would get a younger player with similar production at less or the same cost for the next 3 years, and then even less once EK's deal is done.

OTT traded 12th overall plus for Chychrun so flipping him for the final 3-5 years of EK past his prime is not a wise move, in my opinion. Hope Staios learns from Dorion from when he traded a 23 year old Zibanejad for a 2 years of a 29 year old in Derrick Brassard.

If they move Chychrun it should be for something who can help both now and in 5 years, and Karlsson is not that.

What about Chabot straight up lol

 

[TkachukNorris79]

What about Chabot straight up lol

Chabot is different in the sense that he likely only has 4 years left in Ottawa, so they could swing that. But I just think he is the superior player relative to Chychrun and would much rather keep Chabot over Chych.

TBH I would move Chabot for EK at the draft (before Chabot's NTC kicks in July 1) and then move Chychrun after July 1 to a team that can offer him an extension. And just find a 2LD in free agency, much easier than finding a RHD and a Top 3 of Sanderson, Karlsson and Zub is pretty darn good and balanced.

 

[SweSensFan]

Chabot is different in the sense that he likely only has 4 years left in Ottawa, so they could swing that. But I just think he is the superior player relative to Chychrun and would much rather keep Chabot over Chych.

TBH I would move Chabot for EK at the draft (before Chabot's NTC kicks in July 1) and then move Chychrun after July 1 to a team that can offer him an extension. And just find a 2LD in free agency, much easier than finding a RHD and a Top 3 of Sanderson, Karlsson and Zub is pretty darn good and balanced.

I agree on moving one of chabot/chychrun but not both. Also not really sold on Karlsson being the RD coming back. Would prefer a younger and heavier dude but I guess with retention down to say 7M I guess Karl makes some sense and we could find a physical 3rd pair D for cheap.

 

[PensandCaps]

Josh Norris for Reilly Smith / Rickard Rakell / Ryan Graves + 2nd / 3rd

Ottawa dumps albatross contract. PIT sends back one of their contracts and depending on the contract receive a small incentive.

Smith for Norris + 2nd would be ideal from PIT’s end.

I don't think Norris is a "albatross" of a contract. He's better than all those pieces combined, even if you think he's overpaid a bit, he's still a top 6 center with a good ability to put pucks in the net, something we lack majorly. He'd probably be our best pure goal scorer.

Wait, why? Norris' contract is completely underwater at this point.


We don't know what Andlauer's limit will be for payroll expenditure. Norris is owed 52.1M in real dollars after this season. Smith is owed 4M. Ottawa would be paying a 2nd round pick to save 48M. There's no way Pittsburgh would agree to this, and I can't believe Ottawa fans are balking.

Why is Norris's contract completely under water because of 50 games coming off pretty big injury? Let's give him more games before declaring for sure.