TruBlu
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This is a rebuttal to Ranksu's spec thread. Whereas Ranksu left an open wallet, my opinion is that too much is too much. I think 8.25 is fair at 8 years. Let me know what you think.
Was it Freidman or Petro that characterized the Faulk, Schenn and Scandella deals as "market value or above"? Because I think all three of them could be considered below market.Elliotte Freidman talked about the Pietrangelo situation on his 31 thoughts podcast. He says it's an very, very intense game of poker. Here is a brief synopsis. Most of it is what we already know.
-Current offer 8x8
-Blues not budging on bonuses and nmc and not willing to make exceptions
-Friedman said they are going to try and make another run but the chances of getting a deal done is nil.
-Friedman didn't mince words, It's gotten personal. It's clear Petro isn't happy and feels disrespected. Also he says Petro isn't jelous at Faulk,Schenn or Scandella because they got their deals right away. And says those deals are at market value or above. He feels he isn't getting a fair deal.
-The emotion gotten into all of this and the emotion is no one is budging on every side
-Vegas is the frontrunner to sign Petro if he get's to free agency
After listening to this, Yeah it's getting ugly and Petro is gone.
I'd go higher. We're invested to win in the next 5 years, so getting overly hung up on what years 6-8 might look like isn't a huge issue for me. The late years of the Schenn and Faulk contracts are more likely to be garbage years. We can deal with that when we need to.
If Armstrong seen something like $8.4m as the cut off? I wouldn't be particularly happy with how it all played out, but I could understand that position. $8.4m x 8 is equivalent to $9.6m x 7. If what Friedman is saying about Pietrangelo wanting signing bonuses on the back end of the deal is true, we should be able to do that for him.
It was Friedman who said those deals were market value and above.Was it Freidman or Petro that characterized the Faulk, Schenn and Scandella deals as "market value or above"? Because I think all three of them could be considered below market.
I can't begrudge Petro for feeling that 8 x $8M is not a "fair" deal, but it is unquestionably a good deal, especially given all of the economic uncertainty with the league and in the world in general, though I don't disagree with the idea that one of the other 30 teams could certainly offer him more money in addition to the bonuses and NMC protection. Those other players referenced signed the deals they signed because they wanted to be here. I don't agree with the team not budging on the bonuses and NMC, mainly because I think it puts us at a disadvantage to other teams in the league, but I can't say that the deal the team is offering is awful because those elements aren't in it. Petro just has to decide if he wants to be here enough to sweat something in the agreement other than money.
If Petro goes to market and later decides he wants to stay, he is costing himself some serious money by pushing it that far. I can't see Army going any higher than $8.5M on a 7 year deal if he is stuck at $8M on an 8 year deal, and at those figures Petro is leaving $4.5M (maybe more) on the table he probably won't be able to earn when he is 37.
I didn't really hear too much bad in what Friedman said. I certainly didn't hear him say that the chances of a deal getting done are close to nil. He said that teams are trying to work out if he'll really hit free agency and "I think there is a chance". So he doesn't see it as a foregone conclusion.I agree. I said this in the previous thread, If the first 5 years yields another cup or 2 or 3 then great it will be money well spent. Friedman did say in his podcast that Petro wants a bonus on the back end . They should be able to do that. That's good faith. If Army's cut off is 8.4/5x8 and Petro leaves and signs else where for $8.4/5x8 and gets his bonus on the back end of the deal well I wouldn't be too particularly happy either with how it all played out.
But after listening to Friedman's podcast and if its true, It does not look good with the way the negotiations are going.
Hey was Faulk contract given past performance? Faulk didn't play single game in Bluenote and yet he got 6.5mill.$ x 7 year contract.There’s plenty of bad contracts handed out based on a player’s past performance. I’m probably in the minority but I have to give some kudos to Army for determining what he thinks is a fair price and sticking to it.
There's common ground on the term at least from what i hear. The main issue right now is how its structured. (ie. signing bonuses,no movement stuff like that)I’m going to guess, and I could certainly be completely wrong but, it feels like Pietrangelo’s camp is at or above 10m/year. If that’s the case I can’t see how Army is the big bad wolf for not signing him. I know there’s plenty of fans who say to meet his demands at any cost but Army has to be fiscally responsible.
The Blues are definitely in a win now mode and losing Pietrangelo is a major blow but we all know keeping Pietrangelo doesn’t guarantee another Cup.
There’s plenty of bad contracts handed out based on a player’s past performance. I’m probably in the minority but I have to give some kudos to Army for determining what he thinks is a fair price and sticking to it. There’s been lots of pressure put on him for details being leaked and so far he’s not budging.
I think 10 million per year is too much even for Pietrangelo.
Hey was Faulk contract given past performance? Faulk didn't play single game in Bluenote and yet he got 6.5mill.$ x 7 year contract.
Army sticking good price? Eh
Army of lovers fan club!
There's common ground on the term at least from what i hear. The main issue right now is how its structured. (ie. signing bonuses,no movement stuff like that)
Blues only pair Faulk like $3.1mm last year. So we effectively got him for 8 years at $6mm average.Hey was Faulk contract given past performance? Faulk didn't play single game in Bluenote and yet he got 6.5mill.$ x 7 year contract.
Army sticking good price? Eh
Army of lovers fan club!
9x8 means that another team would have to do 10.28x7 to match the overall contract earnings, but that is a big chunk that even Petro isn't worth on AAV over 7 years. I'd do a max of 8.75x8 which means any other team is giving him a 10m AAV contract which is still insane given today's conditions.I would go as high as 9x8. Just under Josi. Perhaps we can bring it down with a NMC. I honestly feel Pietrangelo is worth that. As others have posted, if we can get even one more Cup it will be worth it. I think Alex's style of play will age well, so a full NMC doesn't bother me that much.