PHWA added Rod Langway award!

[Raccoon Jesus]

We've had a lot of threads around here about 'splitting' the Norris. Looks like instead of adding an offensive trophy, they added a defensive trophy:



Thoughts?

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[Raccoon Jesus]

I know my initial thought is adding another more-subjective trophy than the Norris--at least for the PHWA--is gonna be more controversial than adding an offensive trophy which would be easier to declare.

 

[Ralph Spoilsport]

Best defensive defenceman award...no that doesn't sound too idiotic.

This too will eventually go to one of the highest scoring d-men if the PHWA is voting.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Wait, that's an official award now? Don't like it IMO. Voters are just going to be even more inclined to vote for offense for the Norris now. An all-around D-man like Hedman for example is probably less likely to win now.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Wait, that's an official award now? Don't like it IMO. Voters are just going to be even more inclined to vote for offense for the Norris now. An all-around D-man like Hedman for example is probably less likely to win now.

For what it's worth, the same people who voted on this award also voted Hedman for Norris.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For what it's worth, the same people who voted on this award also voted Hedman for Norris.

I tend to agree but we'll see how long they can keep it straight because right now their Norris votes are Hedman, Doughty, Klingberg while their Langway votes are Doughty, Chara, Hedman. It seems like they're treating it like the Selke--who is a high-profile high-enough scoring player with great D as opposed to strictly defensive D (not that those guys don't fit the profile per se). I.E. they're going to have a hard time creating TWO lists since the PHWA doesn't seem big on deeper analysis.

 

[Lebowski]

It'll be a silly reputation award.

 

[PAZ]

This is the first time i've ever heard the name Rod Langway. Which is a bit ironic, because I doubt any player similar to Langway will ever win this award.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I think it would have been better to add an offense oriented defenseman trophy and scale up the value of defense with regards to the Norris

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

I think it would have been better to add an offense oriented defenseman trophy and scale up the value of defense with regards to the Norris

Agreed, the Norris should put an emphasis on defense first. Then the new one should be offensive defensemen, basically an opposite Selke.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Agreed, the Norris should put an emphasis on defense first. Then the new one should be offensive defensemen, basically an opposite Selke.

The Norris shouldn't emphasize either offense or defense. It should be an award for the best defenseman.

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

there are too many trophies as it is

if I was god of the universe I'd only have the Ross, Hart, Smythe, Vezina, Norris, and Calder, and maybe the Bing since it's super-old and classy

the rest could vanish overnight and nothing of value would be lost

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

there are too many trophies as it is

if I was god of the universe I'd only have the Ross, Hart, Smythe, Vezina, Norris, and Calder, and maybe the Bing since it's super-old and classy

the rest could vanish overnight and nothing of value would be lost

The thing is, even goalies have two awards; d-men really needed one more.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

I like the Comeback Player of the year award too.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Personally, I like it. The Norris is already skewed towards offensive production. A trophy that recognizes defensive play by a D is something that I welcome.

 

[CanuckGame39]

This is the first time i've ever heard the name Rod Langway. Which is a bit ironic, because I doubt any player similar to Langway will ever win this award.

Sad.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

When I saw the name of this award, I knew without looking it would reward the best defensive defenceman. Good add.

Now is it possible to win the Norris and Langway award. I sure hope so.

 

[PAZ]

Sad.

Sorry I'm not 40 years old to know the name.

 

[CanuckGame39]

Sorry I'm not 40 years old to know the name.

Im in my 20s and I know. I suggest brushing up on your hockey history knowledge.

 

[Kamiccolo]

There are no solid ways to measure defense. So this will become a reputation award

 

[Gnashville]

Personally, I like it. The Norris is already skewed towards offensive production. A trophy that recognizes defensive play by a D is something that I welcome.

The problem is look at the finalists they are the same as the Norris just reshuffled.

 

[Daximus]

I pulled a signed Rod Langway caps jersey with COA in a mystery box, had to search him up as it was before my time. Having a hard time finding anyone willing to trade for it. Cool he is getting some recognition though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I didn't know who Langway was, but holy cow, he was a defensive monster according to HRef's defensive point shares. 71.1 defensive point shares over his 15 year NHL career, that is absurd. Based on point shares, his career is about on par with Doughty's in terms of defensive ability, and that's with Langway playing for a bad Washington team for a lot of years.

If I had to guess, this would be an award based on stuff like blocked shots, hits, plus/minus and possession stats (may be giving the voters too much credit here), plus a lot of reputation voting.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Shea Weber is finally going to get his due.

 

[BruinLVGA]

The problem is look at the finalists they are the same as the Norris just reshuffled.

Klingberg is in the Norris, Chara in the Langway.