Phoenix LXXX: Is there another way out?

[madhi19]

Previous thread Phoenix LXXIX: This is The End, We Hope Not
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Is there another way out?
I been there and back.
From cupcake to the outback.
You sure there no other way out?

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[kdb209]

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Since this thread replaced M4B's thread - I'll give him his props here:

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Previous Thread - Phoenix LXXIX: This is The End, We Hope Not

In carrying on the tradition of thought and emotion envoking musical themes (and parodies) of this ongoing saga

All Along the Watchtower (Jimi Style - Sorry Mr. Dylan) ~ or ~ All Along The Last Hours (A Parody)



Is there another way outta here?
Said the Gosbee to the Chief,
There's too much congestion,
I can't get no relief.
Businessman they wine and dine,
Taxpayers dig my earth
They won't level on the line, nobody offered their word

No reason to get excited
Even though the Council spoke
There are many here among us
Who feel this farce is but a joke
But you and I, we've been through that
And is this the final date?
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late

All along the last hours
Posters kept the view
While all the threads they came and went
We'll soon see eighty two

Outside in the far distance
A Gary did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the Yote' began to howl

Yet another horrible waste of pixels ...

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI
12-18-2012 Phoenix LXVII: Route66 - Aftermath
01-15-2013 Phoenix LXVIII - "Watch out for that Tree"
01-25-2013 Phoenix LXIX: Thread of LXIX
01-30-2013 Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?
02-01-2013 Phoenix LXXI: Daydream Belever
02-12-2013 Phoenix LXXII: Send in the Clowns
03-14-2013 Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"
04-04-2013 Phoenix LXXIV: Be Seeing You
04-22-2013 Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again
05-02-3013 Phoenix LXXVI: Renaissance Men
05-13-2013 Phoenix LXXVII: Tired of Waiting For You
05-19-2013 Phoenix LXXVIII: Know When To Hold 'Em, Know When To Fold 'Em
05-25-2013 Phoenix LXXIX: This is The End, We Hope Not
05-29-2013 Phoenix LXXX: Is there another way out?

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison
12-21-2012 Jamison officially signs Jobing.com lease agreement
12-26-2012 Coyotes could break even, or even profit, if there are no games
12-27-2012 Shoalts: Jamison using US Green Cards to lure investors in Coyotes
01-06-2013 Sportsnet: Jamison group about to finalize Coyotes purchase
01-30-2013 Burnside, LeBrun: Sale of Coyotes to Jamison in Question
01-31-2012 NHL no longer denying relocation a possibility for the Coyotes?
02-01-2013 USA Today's Allen: NHL must continue committment to Phoenix
02-02-2013 Phoenix - Glendale vs Scottsdale
02-08-2013 Grant Woods leading (new) ownership group to (try to) buy Coyotes
02-12-2013 Hulsizer back to looking at buying Coyotes?
03-28-2013 Report: NHL may soon consider relocation for Coyotes; Ice Edge back in picture?
03-29-2013 Bettman: Hey COG, expect something in about a week
04-07-2013 Bettman: Interest in Phoenix franchise "higher than ever"
05-06-2013 Arizona Republic: True cost of running Jobing.com below what COG has paid
05-06-2013 COG Mayor: waiting on NHL to approve owner
05-11-2013 Californian Darin Pastor looking to finalize "premium" purchase of Coyotes
05-27-2013 5/28 NHL, COG, Renaissance meeting in Glendale

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes

 

[cbcwpg]

Lyrics to

Is There Another Way Out :

Is there another way out
Of this mess
That I once started
But now I can't seem to stop it

And now when I look back
Everyone is still around
It never turns out the way you planned
That's something
I will never understand

Then suddenly
It seems so clear to me

Who of you standing there
Is the one to step forward
Who of you just standing there
Is the one to step forward
And come clean


** we can always find a song to go with the thread title **

 

[Jesus Christ Horburn]

I haven't followed the story in a while, but was last night's meeting in Glendale more important than usual? It seems like a meeting between the NHL, COG and Reinsdorf/IEH/Hulsizer/Jamison happens every year around this time, with nothing ever really changing.

 

[Ugmo]

But how can they do that Ugmo, there 3 days left until May 31, that is too short of time to do anything right now. The NHL does not want the blame on itself but how can they do that in such short time. I can't see the team moving now because then the blame will fall on the NHL.

I think the whole "blame game" argument is overrated. Certainly Glendale doesn't want to take the blame because Glendale will still be there when (if) the Coyotes leave! Glendale will have to deal with whatever fallout there is. But the league? The Coyotes have apparently never made a profit in their entire existence. At this point it is really easy for the league to say "Sorry, the market just doesn't work." Like I said, within a few weeks at the latest, no one will care anymore.

Three days is ample time to make an announcement. The league has neither the motive nor the need to stick around for one more year covering all the costs.* If indeed they can still move after June 1 without any ramifications, they will do so by the latest date PKP tells them he can still be ready for the 13-14 season.




*Unless there is any truth to the rumor alleged to originate from within Quebecor that two teams are in major trouble. In that case the NHL might be trying to salvage Glendale because it can't put two separate teams in Quebec City!

 

[nelina]

I mean ****in a if you're dealing with this, memorial day weekend in ****ing Cancun for ****'s sake, come on...

Surely a rental but that plane from La Guardia to YUL sitted there overnight to return Teterboro. Just enough time for a cordial dinner !

Columbo leave this body...

 

[Wingsfan2965*]

After everybody has blown up this Wings/Hawks series as "The End", it's gonna be funny to watch the Phoenix fallout send the Wings right back to the West.

 

[madhi19]

*Unless there is any truth to the rumour alleged to originate from within Quebecor that two teams are in major trouble. In that case the NHL might be trying to salvage Glendale because it can't put two separate teams in Quebec City!

I don't believe these rumours Gary would have pushed a lot harder than the half-assed effort he put out yesterday. Unless he has another extra landing spot that we don't know about. I wish it was true. Come on! Gary stuck in Glendale because of another southern team blowing up in his face that would be hilarious and well deserved.

 

[viper0220]

I think the whole "blame game" argument is overrated. Certainly Glendale doesn't want to take the blame because Glendale will still be there when (if) the Coyotes leave! Glendale will have to deal with whatever fallout there is. But the league? The Coyotes have apparently never made a profit in their entire existence. At this point it is really easy for the league to say "Sorry, the market just doesn't work." Like I said, within a few weeks at the latest, no one will care anymore.

Three days is ample time to make an announcement. The league has neither the motive nor the need to stick around for one more year covering all the costs.* If indeed they can still move after June 1 without any ramifications, they will do so by the latest date PKP tells them he can still be ready for the 13-14 season.




*Unless there is any truth to the rumor alleged to originate from within Quebecor that two teams are in major trouble. In that case the NHL might be trying to salvage Glendale because it can't put two separate teams in Quebec City!

That could the case Ugmo but would it not make sense to announce the recolation(if that is what they doing) as soon as possible.

 

[cbcwpg]

I think the whole "blame game" argument is overrated.!

It is. Within two days of the Coyotes moving, nobody outside of phoenix is ever going to care that the franchise ever existed. Sounds harse, but its true. Everyone will be excited and talking about Quebec City ( yes this is where I think they are going, but could be wrong ) and the new season coming up. Who the GM is going to be, who the coach is going to be, the name of the team, what the uniforms look like, their first draft pick, etc.... That's where the focus will be.

The only people looking to play the blame game will be the fans of the team that no longer is, and those in Glendale. Same thing happened when Winnipeg, Quebec, Atlanta lost their teams. Blame game within the city, nobody caring outside the city.

 

[Llama19]

I haven't followed the story in a while, but was last night's meeting in Glendale more important than usual? It seems like a meeting between the NHL, COG and Reinsdorf/IEH/Hulsizer/Jamison happens every year around this time, with nothing ever really changing.

After almost four years, and another 'eleventh hour' meeting...

No one has been willing to lay their own money down and buy this team.

Excuse me, is there a way out?

 

[Ugmo]

That could the case Ugmo but would it not make sense to announce the recolation(if that is what they doing) as soon as possible.

It certainly would make sense.... that's why we should expect an announcement before the end of the week!

 

[Wheathead]

If there are truly two clubs (Phoenix and an unknown club) that are in trouble, if I were the NHL, I'd still send Phoenix packing and devote my time trying to save the other club. Phoenix has been on life support since 2009, and probably before that. Like the old saying goes, you can't help those who don't help themselves.

Time to cut bait and move on.

 

[viper0220]

It certainly would make sense.... that's why we should expect an announcement before the end of the week!

Hopefully there is some kind of announcement before the end of the week.

 

[Ugmo]

It is. Within two days of the Coyotes moving, nobody outside of phoenix is ever going to care that the franchise ever existed. Sounds harse, but its true. Everyone will be excited and talking about Quebec City ( yes this is where I think they are going, but could be wrong ) and the new season coming up. Who the GM is going to be, who the coach is going to be, the name of the team, what the uniforms look like, their first draft pick, etc.... That's where the focus will be.

The only people looking to play the blame game will be the fans of the team that no longer is, and those in Glendale. Same thing happened when Winnipeg, Quebec, Atlanta lost their teams. Blame game within the city, nobody caring outside the city.

Not to pile on, but I don't think too many people in Phoenix will even care. Yes, the Coyotes have their hard-core fans, but for a metro area that large it's an insignificant number as evidenced by attendance and TV ratings. It comes down to Glendale taxpayers, and I think it will even take most of them a while to even figure out what happened to their money and their fire stations. They clearly aren't following this saga all that closely, as we can see by the distinct lack of pitchforks (and tar and feathers).

 

[Nordskull]

Not to pile on, but I don't think too many people in Phoenix will even care. Yes, the Coyotes have their hard-core fans, but for a metro area that large it's an insignificant number as evidenced by attendance and TV ratings. It comes down to Glendale taxpayers, and I think it will even take most of them a while to even figure out what happened to their money and their fire stations. They clearly aren't following this saga all that closely, as we can see by the distinct lack of pitchforks (and tar and feathers).

The backlash will not happen in Glendale, it could happen elsewhere when the NHL will ask cities to build new arenas to maintain their franchises in.

Thats what Bettman want to prevent.

He knows damn well there arent lots of Winnipegs and Quebecs in North America.

After, say, expansion to, say Seattle and Markham (if it happens), what's the next emergency landing spot?

Bettman wanted to keep Qc available, but between what we want and what we can have...

 

[not a trapdoor]

If the rumours of a second team are true (for convenience I'll call them the Tokens):

- The AMUL would have been renewed by now OR
- There'd be rumours of a second landing place if needed OR
- The NHL would be running the Tokens.

The first two obviously we'd know about. The third... perhaps not.

There has been discussion of the NHL running the Stars; but that was more because their owner blew all his money on Liverpool FC - not because the Stars have a dud business model. And the Stars have found themselves a new owner already.

There have been some rumblings about the Devils being in some trouble, but I find the prospect of them moving unlikely. Again there's a decent business in place there; not a franchise I'd expect to move as they have an arena & fairly storied history. If the NHL has gone to this much trouble for the Coyotes they'd go a lot further to stay in NJ.

If the Tokens really were in serious trouble and IF Quebec is about to get a team, where else could the NHL dump a franchise? We know they wanted Seattle but there's no timeline for that arena. Nowhere else seems to be shopping for a team at this time. Which brings me back to the fact that the NHL haven't secured a home for the Coyotes next season. Quebec must be lined up for the Coyotes.

(And if the rumours of the Tokens are true... perhaps there's still time to work though that - and maybe stall until Seattle has their building?)

 

[Major4Boarding]

** we can always find a song to go with the thread title **

I kinda came up with a parody last night...

All Along the Watchtower (Jimi Style - Sorry Mr. Dylan) ~ or ~ All Along The Last Hours



Is there another way outta here?
Said the Gosbee to the Chief,
There's too much congestion,
I can't get no relief.
Businessman they wine and dine,
Taxpayers dig my earth
They won't level on the line, nobody offered their word

No reason to get excited
Even though the Council spoke
There are many here among us
Who feel this farce is but a joke
But you and I, we've been through that
And is this the final date?
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late

All along the last hours
Posters kept the view
While all the threads they came and went
We'll soon see eighty two (LXXXII)

Outside in the far distance
A Gary did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the Yote' began to howl

 

[not a trapdoor]

The backlash will not happen in Glendale, it could happen elsewhere when the NHL will ask cities to build new arenas to maintain their franchises in.

Thats what Bettman want to prevent.

Spot on. That's the backlash the NHL fears - cities that don't trust the NHL to stick around. Which suggests to me that Ville de Québec knows that if they build it, the Nords will come. The NHL wants to show loyalty to Glendale as long as they can & look like the jilted party and at the same time wants to reward other cities that build arenas.

 

[rt]

The backlash will not happen in Glendale, it could happen elsewhere when the NHL will ask cities to build new arenas to maintain their franchises in.

Thats what Bettman want to prevent.

He knows damn well there arent lots of Winnipegs and Quebecs in North America.

It won't spook Quebec, Seattle, or GTA2. Who else will need a new barn in the next ten years?

 

[Ugmo]

It won't spook Quebec, Seattle, or GTA2. Who else will need a new barn in the next ten years?

That's it exactly. As far as possible new markets, there are very few of them, and they're either in Canada (where people are willing to publicly fund a new arena), or they're in Seattle (where people aren't, irrespective of what happened in Glendale). And when a city that already has an established NHL team needs a new arena, Glendale will be irrelevant because the team will be long established in the community and a Glendale scenario will be implausible anyway.

My feeling is that Gary has made such an effort to stay in Glendale because he really doesn't want to give up on the Phoenix market and his southern expansion strategy. I think it's just that simple. But I also think he'll leave if it looks like the NHL has to foot the entire bill itself.

 

[Nordskull]

It won't spook Quebec, Seattle, or GTA2. Who else will need a new barn in the next ten years?

Yeah, but who thought teams like NJ would get into trouble.

Sure, maybe no one will have to move. I agree with you, but I don't have any crystal ball.

Maybe the Yotes are the last problematic market for the next 20 years, but doesnt mean new arenas will not be in the need.

 

[tony d]

I wonder who the 2nd team in trouble is. As was said before Phoenix has been a problem for years, relocate them to a Quebec City or Seattle and concentrate on helping the other team. Phoenix is going to be a problem, unfortunately, as long as they are in that city. This other franchise could be just a temporary problem.

 

[Slashers98]

There is no second team in trouble. That rumor was bogus, so let's concentrate on the Phoenix Coyotes!

 

[viper0220]

There is no second team in trouble. That rumor was bogus, so let's concentrate on the Phoenix Coyotes!

I think this is the truth, if there was another team in rouble then we would know about because when doucments are filled in court or something like that, it is made public(ie New Jersey Devils).