Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again

[CC Superfan]

Here's audio from Bill Daly where casts doubt on Coyotes fans swearing re-alignment is set in stone and therefore Quebec can't get a team:

''Obviously, there is some practical reality associated with travel which would be difficult but, those are the practical difficulties that Winnipeg had to deal with for each of the last two years. So again, I wouldn’t exclude from considering Eastern options if in fact that’s the way we have to go.

http://www2.tsn.ca/window/podcastcentre/#podcastid=17739&id=59

 

[Ugmo]

4-5 tweets between a PR firm for one group and a member of a competing group doesn't constitute a "drama."

But let's not pass up a chance to skew things a little and only pick out what fits the agenda..... right??

I think it does. These people are supposed to be professionals and they're squabbling via twitter like a bunch of 15-year-old girls? That's the very definition of drama!

 

[barneyg]

To the extent that Glendale can be blamed at all, it's for attempting to use money as a substitute for expertise. Reminds me a bit of the debacle between Curt Schilling and Rhode Island. There's a reason why city managers run cities and venture capitalists run venture capital firms. You wouldn't want your plumber performing open heart surgery just because he knows how to unclog a toilet.

Glendale had the resources and the vision of what they wanted their city to be, but they got caught outside their element in this whole affair.

That's a very good point but I'll rephrase it anyway -- Beasley (and then Skeete) was way over his head in this whole story. You can't expect politicians to figure out the financial aspects of things (although some will), but this whole story makes a case for hiring smart people for top management posts in a city.

 

[TheLegend]

A tort for Twitterious Interference?

I like that.......... !!!!

 

[TheLegend]

Here is a firm deadline from one person....

“There’s gonna be some clarity to it one way or the other this year because if it gets to July 1 and there’s no owner, I’m without a contract,†Tippett said. “I’m gonna coach somewhere next year. I hope it’s here. But I’m gonna coach somewhere next year.â€

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coy...owner-makes-tough-succeed.html?nclick_check=1

Very ture..... And it's not just Tippett. GM Don Maloney and a few other critical UFAs are on that same deadline.

 

[GF]

I think it does. These people are supposed to be professionals and they're squabbling via twitter like a bunch of 15-year-old girls? That's the very definition of drama!

I agree!

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

Is this a serious question?

I would say the answer is no. Otherwise they would have gotten involved back when the CoG was offering to purchase the team for them as well as offset 150 million dollars of losses!

Serious. I have not been following this mess.

 

[Nordskull]

I cannot believe Gary Bettman's ego worth dealing fake deals with this sort of people.

 

[Whileee]

4-5 tweets between a PR firm for one group and a member of a competing group doesn't constitute a "drama."

But let's not pass up a chance to skew things a little and only pick out what fits the agenda..... right??

Can't tell if you are serious here, TL. You didn't find that little Twitterspat an "amusing drama"?

 

[GordonGraham]

Here is a firm deadline from one person....

“There’s gonna be some clarity to it one way or the other this year because if it gets to July 1 and there’s no owner, I’m without a contract,†Tippett said. “I’m gonna coach somewhere next year. I hope it’s here. But I’m gonna coach somewhere next year.â€

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coy...owner-makes-tough-succeed.html?nclick_check=1

If he has to wait till july 1st can he end up SOL since all clubs may have filled their coaching vacancy by then

 

[tarheelhockey]

That's a very good point but I'll rephrase it anyway -- Beasley (and then Skeete) was way over his head in this whole story. You can't expect politicians to figure out the financial aspects of things (although some will), but this whole story makes a case for hiring smart people for top management posts in a city.

Or, as we Southerners are fond of saying: several people involved in this saga had "more money than sense".

 

[Mightygoose]

I cannot believe Gary Bettman's ego worth dealing fake deals with this sort of people.

It's astonishing for sure.

Bettman is taking in the at the Bell Centre tonight. Perhaps he had a meeting earlier nearby with those who are not as fake?

 

[mesamonster]

If he has to wait till july 1st can he end up SOL since all clubs may have filled their coaching vacancy by then

My guess is that if it looks like a "no sale" he will have already committed somewhere verbally, with the legal business done post July 1st! As of today, the front runners would be Colorado and Edmonton, though I doubt he would want to coach in Canada!

 

[aqib]

To be fair Whileee.....

I've never blamed Glendale for wanting to keep the team there. They haven't been the most prudent bunch and allowed a city manager to wheel and deal without much oversight and that lead to much of their trouble. But the tanked economy hurt them far more than anything the hockey team (and all the associated characters) had done.

But let's be realistic here...

Glendale got blamed for building the arena in the first place (despite the team would've left if they hadn't).

Glendale got blamed for putting up $25 Million to keep the team out of Winnipeg (with 15 minutes to spare ).

Glendale got blamed for putting up another $25 Million to keep the team there the next year because they were still working with a potential owner.

And none of that is because people here actually care what happens to Glendale (....outside of one person maybe.).

Well the whole set up was silly, for one suburb to foot the bill for something that has regional benefits. Glendale only had to foot part of the bill for the Cardinals Stadium but all of it for the arena. That makes no sense.

However you are right, I really don't care what happens to the City of Glendale once the team is in Canada. I am a Canadian marauder who just wants to poach the team. I freely admit that.

 

[Llama19]

Can someone who skis explain what the "if you are over your skis, stay off the slopes." comment means? I would think if you are over your skis, you would be ready to ski on the slopes?

Maybe someone with twitter could ask Daryl what he means?

It means: your center of gravity is too far forward of your normal position on your skis, usually about to 'eat some snow.'

If you want another take, read this...

Hoo's there! (on Twitter, mostly 'twits')

 

[Glacial]

So which of the prospective owners was the one who said "1-2-3-4 I declare a Twitter war"? Is anyone really sure these are grown men and not little Richie Riches who are posing as their fathers by leaving off the Jr.s or IIIs off their name?

 

[enarwpg]

Perhaps He created it as a lesson to us all...

Actually God had more important things to figure out when creating the planet and it's inhabitants, but Egyptians, they could be part of the Glendale mess ... and later Native Americans and the game of lacrosse, then some guy in Halifax for skates. Some interesting history on the game of ice hockey > http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/icehockeyhistory.html

 

[fishbert]

Now I know we are hockey crazy up here in the north, but I can easily say that if the gov't in Winnipeg was to come out today and cut funding to essential services and give that money to a hockey team instead, there would be no one left standing at city hall after they put out the fires.

Is that so?

City tasks police service with cutting costs by shifting work to civilian jobs
Millions to aid True North - Province, city chip in $6.9M

 

[David_99]

Is that so?

Together, these mechanisms account for $6.9 million this year. Mayor Sam Katz, however, noted most of the revenue in question would not exist if the NHL did not return to Winnipeg.

Mayor Sam Katz said the city will spend $406 million, nearly half of the [police] budget

You are correct sir.

Even without the Jets:
$6.9M > $400M in Winnipeg dollars.

Unlike Glendale where:
$15M expenses < $2M in revenue

 

[Whileee]

Is that so?

City tasks police service with cutting costs by shifting work to civilian jobs
Millions to aid True North - Province, city chip in $6.9M

The city and province are giving TNSE tax breaks, meaning that they are taking less tax revenue from TNSE than they could for entertainment and property taxes. They could perhaps argue that without TNSE and the Jets they wouldn't have much of that tax revenue in any case.

That's a bit different from: 1) building an arena entirely with public funds; 2) offering to let the Coyotes play in that arena for free (levying only small ticket surcharges; 3) allowing the Coyotes all of the parking revenue (in Winnipeg the city collects a lot of the parking revenues for MTS Centre events); 4) providing a large, direct subsidy to the Coyotes' owner for operating the team at the arena.

Besides, even if you categorized that $6.9 million as a direct subsidy to TNSE, it would represent about 0.7% of the City of Winnipeg's annual budget. In contrast, a $15 million AMF, added to $8.4 million in annual debt costs for the Jobing.com arena construction constitutes about 14% of Glendale's annual budget.

Some groups in Winnipeg object to the tax breaks and revenue streams offered to TNSE, but I don't think that anyone could seriously think that the Jets and TNSE are causing a problem for the city's finances.

 

[Llama19]

Oh no...we are just mear posts away from reaching 1,000.

No decision on the new thread title...

Are we doomed to end the thread before we know Hoo's the new owner?

Please, I beseech thee oh Lord of the Board Moderators, don't leave us hanging without knowing the true outcome!

 

[OthmarAmmann]

The city and province are giving TNSE tax breaks, meaning that they are taking less tax revenue from TNSE than they could for entertainment and property taxes. They could perhaps argue that without TNSE and the Jets they wouldn't have much of that tax revenue in any case.

That's a bit different from: 1) building an arena entirely with public funds; 2) offering to let the Coyotes play in that arena for free (levying only small ticket surcharges; 3) allowing the Coyotes all of the parking revenue (in Winnipeg the city collects a lot of the parking revenues for MTS Centre events); 4) providing a large, direct subsidy to the Coyotes' owner for operating the team at the arena.

Besides, even if you categorized that $6.9 million as a direct subsidy to TNSE, it would represent about 0.7% of the City of Winnipeg's annual budget. In contrast, a $15 million AMF, added to $8.4 million in annual debt costs for the Jobing.com arena construction constitutes about 14% of Glendale's annual budget.

Some groups in Winnipeg object to the tax breaks and revenue streams offered to TNSE, but I don't think that anyone could seriously think that the Jets and TNSE are causing a problem for the city's finances.

Didn't it say there was provincial money too?

At any rate the tax-free revenue to TNSE could probably fund the clerical roles that they're shifting from uniformed to civilian. A bit different than closing fire stations when you're already well below standard for response time but whatev.

 

[Hawker14]

I usually don't give much thought to the thread titles and original posts, but KDB has outdone himself in the next one !

 

[Fugu]

Kill it with fire!!!

InB4theLock.

 

[Fugu]

Lock.