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Yes but the media in Phoenix has had plenty of time over the last 4 years to ask the hard questions within the time frame of each of the events that took place.
Completely agree with you on that AP.
Yes but the media in Phoenix has had plenty of time over the last 4 years to ask the hard questions within the time frame of each of the events that took place.
In looking at the Team / No Team scenarios, there are two key considerations. First, the AMF and Capital Fund for the arena (tied to the Jamison lease) is expected to be considerably more expensive than the arena management costs without the team.
So why does the deal "save" money in the long term. According to the figures presented, they are projecting that without the team they will have much higher General Fund expenditures. I can't recall any rationale for that assumption.
Can someone clarify why Skeete projects that General Fund expenditures will be substantially higher with No Team, even after the arena management costs are considered?
These peoples rejected reality a while ago. Otherwise they would have told Bettman where he can shove his team three years ago when he started asking for 25 million a year! Hell 50 million is enough to wipe a lot of the remaining debt on the freaking building. I keep coming back to gambler mentality to explain the whole psycosis. A gambler on a bad streak will throw good money at bad bets in the hope that his luck will turn and he can cover his previous loss.
Can someone clarify why Skeete projects that General Fund expenditures will be substantially higher with No Team, even after the arena management costs are considered?
When I first saw the 'uneducated' comment I thought blues10 was slamming the citizens of Glendale, fortunately I decided to watch the link for I layed into him.
My analysis of the recent election suggests that the citizens are very informed of the issues. Prop 457 passed very handily suggesting there wasn't any confusion over that issue. Likewise Clark was easily defeated, and once again it says educated public about the issues.
The citizens of Glendale are educated about what is going on in their city. The only uneducated one is Joyce Clark herself.
Maybe the NHL threatened to burn the effing place down, salt the earth and even irradiate the air on their way out!Is he perhaps working off of projected tax revenue losses should the Coyotes leave with absolutely no dates factored in & projected to offset those losses? I see the app $6M for AM, absolutely nothing, zero, with respect to potential event, trade show, concert dates... only explanation I can think of Whileee.
1. "You implied that immediately after the agreement is signed, there is a reasonable expectation that Jamison will purchase the arena, retire the arena debt, and then not collect the AMF. Then why did you lease the Jobing.com arena to Jamison instead of selling it to him?"
2. "How much of the AMF is for arena management and how much is to subsidize the Coyotes operation?"
3. "Why are you allowing Jamison to receive the parking revenue rights, which the City of Glendale has previously valued at $100 million?"
4. "You said that the AMF is $11 million per year, but the total outlay for the AMF is $308 million. Can you explain why those figures don't match?"
I just did...
Is he perhaps working off of projected tax revenue losses should the Coyotes leave with absolutely no dates factored in & projected to offset those losses? I see the app $6M for AM, absolutely nothing, zero, with respect to potential event, trade show, concert dates... only explanation I can think of Whileee.
No - revenues are presented separately. I think I've figured out the discrepancy:
Using FY22 (though that applies for every year: link) --
Team stays:
Beginning GF balance (1.1)
Revenues 191.9
GF expenses (154.3)
MPC-PFC & Transfers out (35.3)
AMF & capital expenditures on arena (19.0)
equals
Ending fund balance (17.9)
No team:
Beginning GF balance 1.7
Revenues 189.4
GF expenses (163.9)
MPC-PFC & Transfers out (35.3)
AMF & capital expenditures on arena (8.8)
equals
Ending fund balance (17.1)
The 2.5M drop in revenues makes sense in the context of assuming no arena events if the team goes. The reduced AMF too. But the GF expenses make no sense -- why would they be 9.6M higher without the team?
Here's why: there's an "expenditure reduction" line item in FY13-FY16, i.e. the effect of service cuts is presented separately. It has much larger amounts if the team stays than if it goes. In other words it's not "Coyotes stay" vs. "Coyotes leave", it's "Coyotes stay + big cuts" vs. "Coyotes leave + smaller cuts". The only reason the first scenario looks better in the long run is because of those bigger service cuts.
1) "I didn't imply he would buy it the next day. That is your own implication. However if you want me to clarify it some, he has the right to enter into a purchase agreement for the arena at any time once the AMF is signed."
2) "That is all set out in the AMF which anyone can now read and decide for themselves."
3) "Parking rights have been part of the original lease and remain so."
4) "$11 million is for the initial year of the agreement. The new total $308 million is still less than the $320 million outlined in the original agreement approved in June."
I just answered. If I could answer them, they were softballs......
No - revenues are presented separately. I think I've figured out the discrepancy:
Using FY22 (though that applies for every year: link) --
Team stays:
Beginning GF balance (1.1)
Revenues 191.9
GF expenses (154.3)
MPC-PFC & Transfers out (35.3)
AMF & capital expenditures on arena (19.0)
equals
Ending fund balance (17.9)
No team:
Beginning GF balance 1.7
Revenues 189.4
GF expenses (163.9)
MPC-PFC & Transfers out (35.3)
AMF & capital expenditures on arena (8.8)
equals
Ending fund balance (17.1)
The 2.5M drop in revenues makes sense in the context of assuming no arena events if the team goes. The reduced AMF too. But the GF expenses make no sense -- why would they be 9.6M higher without the team?
Here's why: there's an "expenditure reduction" line item in FY13-FY16, i.e. the effect of service cuts is presented separately. It has much larger amounts if the team stays than if it goes. In other words it's not "Coyotes stay" vs. "Coyotes leave", it's "Coyotes stay + big cuts" vs. "Coyotes leave + smaller cuts". The only reason the first scenario looks better in the long run is because of those bigger service cuts.
http://www.glendaleaz.com/video/
Glendale City Council Workshop
November 20, 2012
7:16
Mayor Scruggs: There are serious significant issues facing this city right now... and not all of them have been revealed... but they will be in a very short amount of time... and I don't know if we are going to be able to go through until January 22nd without having meetings to address the various serious situations in this city right now...
The suspense is killing me... soon all will be revealed.
The 2.5M drop in revenues makes sense in the context of assuming no arena events if the team goes. The reduced AMF too. But the GF expenses make no sense -- why would they be 9.6M higher without the team?
Here's why: there's an "expenditure reduction" line item in FY13-FY16, i.e. the effect of service cuts is presented separately. It has much larger amounts if the team stays than if it goes. In other words it's not "Coyotes stay" vs. "Coyotes leave", it's "Coyotes stay + big cuts" vs. "Coyotes leave + smaller cuts". The only reason the first scenario looks better in the long run is because of those bigger service cuts.
Here's why: there's an "expenditure reduction" line item in FY13-FY16, i.e. the effect of service cuts is presented separately. It has much larger amounts if the team stays than if it goes. In other words it's not "Coyotes stay" vs. "Coyotes leave", it's "Coyotes stay + big cuts" vs. "Coyotes leave + smaller cuts". The only reason the first scenario looks better in the long run is because of those bigger service cuts.
Fascinating.
Yep, I'm watching the video right now. The "with team" scenario contemplates making immediate large scale cuts. The GF impact of those reductions is compounded annually to the point where at the 15-20 year mark, the fund balance is higher with the team... even though the GF balance is negative and the city has been in austerity for two decades.
It is a truly amazing display of governance failure. And when the projections don't materialize again, there literally will be nothing left to cut. Might want to start studying Chapter 9
The suspense is killing me... soon all will be revealed.
http://www.glendaleaz.com/video/
Glendale City Council Workshop
November 20, 2012
45:25
Mayor Scruggs: Amazing... Information flowing where information was locked up in a black box before.
This gets my vote!
Well, we'll see what happens Nov 27 I guess, might clear some things up.....maybe.....in some universe....