I can`t seem to get past the fact that this is not a real business opportunity for anyone involved, that is precisely why the "execution" has not occurred. The marketplace has spoken loud and clear, without public subsidies and/or an owner with deep pockets the Coyotes have worn out their welcome in the desert, the media ratings are a good indicator of this.
What is in it for the NHL looking forward? I am assuming that via their debt vehicles extended to IA that they are the entity that is providing the working capital for these fellows. How much longer do they continue to pour good money after bad when just up the road a brand new SW franchise is about to open their doors without the need public subsidies and NHL lines of credit. Yep, satnd alone financial security, promoting the game in the SW USA! Does the NHL really need two franchises in this part of the country to promote their sport? I don`t think so, the differences could not be greater when viewing the projected future of each of these ventures, why not promote the sport through LV and proclaim that the new market for those in Az. that still are interested!
I can`t seem to get past the fact that this is not a real business opportunity for anyone involved, that is precisely why the "execution" has not occurred. The marketplace has spoken loud and clear, without public subsidies and/or an owner with deep pockets the Coyotes have worn out their welcome in the desert, the media ratings are a good indicator of this.
What is in it for the NHL looking forward? I am assuming that via their debt vehicles extended to IA that they are the entity that is providing the working capital for these fellows. How much longer do they continue to pour good money after bad when just up the road a brand new SW franchise is about to open their doors without the need public subsidies and NHL lines of credit. Yep, satnd alone financial security, promoting the game in the SW USA! Does the NHL really need two franchises in this part of the country to promote their sport? I don`t think so, the differences could not be greater when viewing the projected future of each of these ventures, why not promote the sport through LV and proclaim that the new market for those in Az. that still are interested!
The population of Phoenix dwarfs that of Las Vegas. The only thing LV has going for it is that it's population is more dense, thought being access to games may be better. However, the level headed among us, that know both communities would assert that because of that density, access will be no better.
You also assume that LV will be a success. They have no track record whatsoever, merely an initial response. What leads you to this premature assumption?
The population of Phoenix dwarfs that of Las Vegas. The only thing LV has going for it is that it's population is more dense, thought being access to games may be better. However, the level headed among us, that know both communities would assert that because of that density, access will be no better.
You also assume that LV will be a success. They have no track record whatsoever, merely an initial response. What leads you to this premature assumption?
They did draw 16.5k tonight. Not to sound snarky but are there a lot of Bruins fans in AZ or is it just because its a Saturday night.
They did draw 16.5k tonight. Not to sound snarky but are there a lot of Bruins fans in AZ or is it just because its a Saturday night.
I went to the Boston @ AZ game last season. More than half of the fans are Boston fans, probably closer to 75%. Being on Saturday and many people off work is definitely a help as well. Traffic on Saturday is significantly better too.
Yotes attendance does well against Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, and Detroit. Phoenix is Chicago south and those always sell out with standing room only seats. Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal, Calgary often do well. Sharks and Blues aren't too bad. The rest are pretty weak in terms of fans from other teams showing up and helping the attendance count.
16.5 is another obvious sign this is a market worth fighting for.
Meh.... it's not a problem to mention the number of visiting fans.
There was also a major NASCAR race tonight a few miles to the south too.
Not going to bother responding to random rants about the roster because I can get plenty of that in the team forum.
But when you look at it..... there are no less than 9 first or second year players on the roster. Which is unheard of in the NHL these days. With at least a half dozen more itching for a shot down in Tucson (which has the best record in the AHL right now, BTW). Anyone who thought this team should be a cup contender is either deluding themselves or just wants another excuse to heap dung for the sake of it.
This franchise is trying to think long term...... not be desperate and look for quick fixes. They tried that for too long and outside of one magical season it's shown itself all too well.
They did draw 16.5k tonight. Not to sound snarky but are there a lot of Bruins fans in AZ or is it just because its a Saturday night.
16.5 is another obvious sign this is a market worth fighting for.
On that I agree. I'm not convinced NHL hockey is viable in AZ but they have had no chance with the quality of ownership fans have "enjoyed".Over the years my opinion of this market has changed a lot. I'm sure my original posts on this board were less than kind to the Coyotes fanbase.
I'm just sick of the drive by posts taking shots at attendance or the market. The fact that this team, with terrible ownership, an awful team, and NO LEASE FOR NEXT YEAR! managed to draw that number is impressive, and a credit to the strength of the market.
Did I say the ownership was terrible enough yet? I think I should re-iterate that.
This franchise has had exactly 0 good owners in its history, and may have salted the grounds for a few years.
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Not too sure about that. The only times the yotes draw close to capacity seems to be when an O6 team comes to town. That's a problem.
The NHL approved this ownership group, so that is on them. As has been mentioned by some posters previously, a better solution would be for the league to step up regain total ownership of the team and build up the market and team properly. As long as the NHL is paying the bills and they are consistent in helping any other franchise if need be, then I think that is fair.
The NHL approved this ownership group, so that is on them. As has been mentioned by some posters previously, a better solution would be for the league to step up regain total ownership of the team and build up the market and team properly. As long as the NHL is paying the bills and they are consistent in helping any other franchise if need be, then I think that is fair.
The NHL approved this ownership group, so that is on them. As has been mentioned by some posters previously, a better solution would be for the league to step up regain total ownership of the team and build up the market and team properly. As long as the NHL is paying the bills and they are consistent in helping any other franchise if need be, then I think that is fair.
This goes back to the question MNN answered earlier, who is actually paying the bills? I don`t for a minute believe it is IA! If they were it would suggest that they have plenty of money to burn and should appropriate some of that cash on the payroll in order to give this team and its faithful fans something to cheer about. Last nights on ice payroll was somewhere in the mid $30MM range due to the absence of Hanzal and Smith. Imagine trying to compete with that!
MNN, I share your disdain for the fleecing of Glendale by GB! The idea that this ownership group may be going back to the public coffers to rescue their future is their choice, lets hope the public officials involved on their side recognize what history should have taught them while attempting to do business with this group. IF IA is what they seem to say they are then let them show all of us the money, only after that will I believe anything more coming from this group.
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to me, the inference that the NHL needs to retake day to day control of the Coyotes as you suggest is not warranted, unless any member owner of IA is in legal issues, the NHL will deal w/ that in due course as it always has.
There was also a major NASCAR race tonight a few miles to the south too.
... I found out how NHL was taking advantage of COG and holding them hostage over the threat of moving the team, and I have been upset with Bettman, et al, ever since.
That, however, speaks more to Arizona being like an extended stay hotel rather than a real home for so many of its residents than anything else.