I think it's all just posturing.The odds of Reinsdorf pulling out seem pretty high to me.
The odds of Reinsdorf pulling out seem pretty high to me.
The odds of Reinsdorf pulling out seem pretty high to me.
I think a lot will have to do with "how smoothly" negotiations with COG and SOF go.
There have been threats from almost May 4 that he might pull out; reasons include public scrutiny (of a fairly private man), arena lease negotiating points released.
There's got to be a point where no matter how much schmoozing the NHL, BOG, Phoenix interests do won't be enough to placate Jerry.
Or it could be a negotiating posture.
RR-- you keep insisting that the NHL dictates to the judge, not the other way around. If anything, the judge wanted everyone to go through the process, probably so he could decide if there were skeletons in the closet or anti-trust, or whatever the case may be. Kind of why he told JB to apply in the first place, no?
people are just seeing what they want to see right now, because they have rooting interests. if JR did step aside, the next thing would be how Ice Edge doesn't work.
I do think the judge will have an open auction at some point which will be interesting to say the least.
I doubt there will be an open auction, because of the big three.
it may not be but at some point the process will have to be opened up unless NHL wants to run Pho an unknown length of time hoping to find a way .
A few questions/observations:
1. It's obvious the Glendale taxpayers and the COG, are going to take a HUGE bath on any local bid winning the auction. That's if the council doesn't get cold feet, now that the terms have been leaked, and vote down the concessions to JR or Ice Edge due to HUGE public backlash. Mind ya, COG takes a bath with Balsillie too, if he relocates, cause they're left with that huge white elephant and still have to make bond payments.
2. If Reinsdorf or Ice Edge can't persaude Dell to change his mind and take terms, do either of them even bid since neither wants to put up 80 million in cash to satisfy Dell, even if they can get concessions from COG and new agreements/terms from the other creditors.
3. What is the effect on the Westgate businesses when they're all of a sudden charging an additional 11.5 percent tax on goods/services? I would say their business would plummet. I know if I go out for dinner in Westgate, or buy a jersey, or whatever, and I have to suddenly pay an extra 11.5 percent I'd for sure be reconsidering.
So instead of 100 bucks that jersey now costs me 111.50. Times are tough, every dollar counts.
4. I wonder too who gave or leaked the concession negotiation information to Moyes. That will most surely come out in the contempt hearing when Baum says to Moyes, where did you get this info anyways, cause you weren't supposed to be privy to negotiations between the COG and Reinsdorf. I agree with the earlier poster, probably someone with morals, who thought the deal stunk for the taxpayers, leaked it to Moyes.
5. Does anyone know for sure/has anyone seen a copy yet of Balsillie's new offer, whether it does in fact have no conditions. My bet on that is that he disguises it as a local bid then does a midnight move. The court accepts it at face value, local bid, satisfies all the creditors including Dell (who wants his cash). Then challenges the NHL on not approving Balsillie because now he's a local bidder right, isn't that what the NHL wants. Finds there was no 'material' change to PSE's status since 2006.
6. Dell knows, the longer this goes, and the more the NHL is owed for funding the team through bankruptcy, ahead of him, the less the chances are of him being made whole.
7. Did I read that right that Reinsdorf's attorney said if this wasn't settled September 10th that Reinsdorf was out of the running cause they couldn't close then?
Also that Reinsdorf has 0 financing lined up so far?
8. Funny how now it comes out that Bettman told Balsillie that the Standard 7 year no movement clause would be waived for Pittsburgh but it appears in the final print. Also Bettman says the Executive Committee made him put it back in there. Lemieux's money man backs up Balsillie on this. Daly denies it of course.
Again, I don't think that an open auction would only have the three bidders. There are other cities who want teams and other bazillionaires who have the money; they just aren't involved yet.
JB destroys any value to be found here, though. You'd have to be willing to pay a premium for the Phoenix Coyotes. There have to be better deals out there than that.
The record suggests...that Glendale City Manager Ed Beasley is trying his best to hand over the Coyotes to his friend, lobbyist John Kaites, and Kaites' Chicago buddy, Jerry Reinsdorf. The deal might well suck for the team's current owners (who stand to lose millions) and its creditors (who suggest they're getting a raw deal)...
...Glendale is a town run by its city manager, Beasley. And city records suggest that long before Beasley let on to the city's elected officials that the Coyotes were in trouble, he was helping to wire the deal for Reinsdorf and Kaites...
In the fall of 2008, Coyotes owners Jeff Shumway and Jerry Moyes began explaining to City Manager Beasley just how bad the team's financial situation was. They asked the city to sweeten the pot and give them incentives to help the team stay in Glendale.
Instead, in October, Beasley inked a deal with a small Massachusetts firm, Beacon Sports Capital Management...Beacon was in Glendale for just three days. And during that time, according to Beasley's own calendar, the sports analysts actually had a meeting with Kaites and Reinsdorf!...
Ed Beasley [also] brought in Michael Reinsdorf's firm. At the suggestion of Michael's firm, he brought in a second company, one that had a history of dealing with Michael Reinsdorf. Then he stood by as that firm secretly met with Kaites and Jerry Reinsdorf.
IMO what the NHL is trying to do is find a sucker to eat the losses or a slimeball who can extract subsidies from Glendale.
Glendale and the NHL are desperately trying to salvage an offer for the Phoenix Coyotes that was put in jeopardy after confidential Bankruptcy Court files were leaked that showed the bidder wanted guarantees of millions of dollars from the city and an escape clause to move the team...
The confidential information was posted publicly through the court's Web site by attorneys for current Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes...
Almost immediately, Reinsdorf's attorneys expressed "complete disbelief that such confidential information was released" and "threatened to walk away from the bidding process"...
A spokesman for Moyes, Steve Roman, told The Republic on Monday that the leak was "completely inadvertent and accidental."
"There was no funny business," he said.
Moyes' attorneys had indicated to Glendale before filing that they planned to submit the documents to the judge under seal.
"completely inadvertent and accidental."
How the confidential info became public:
Link:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/08/04/20090804coyotes0804.html
GHOST
Jerry Reinsdorf, owner of the Chicago White Sox and Chicago Bulls, says the hockey team won't survive unless the group gets up to $23 million a year in revenue from the Coyotes' arena lease with the City of Glendale, according to new court filings.
• The taxing district would yield an estimated $23 million in payments the first year, and $15 million by the fifth year, in 2014. The court filing says those payments could continue after 2014.
• If the team was losing money after five years, the Reinsdorf group could demand an additional $15 million a year from the city.
• If the city refused, the Reinsdorf group could sell the Coyoyes and move them, without paying a penalty.
Outside the court, Daly expressed concern about Reinsdorf's bid.
"At some point, we're concerned that he may just reach a decision that it's not worth all the time and money and effort when he's getting resisted as strongly as he is by Mr. Moyes and Mr. Balsillie," Daly said.
the irony ....
Outside the court, Daly expressed concern about Reinsdorf's bid.
"At some point, we're concerned that he may just reach a decision that it's not worth all the time and money and effort when he's getting resisted as strongly as he is by Mr. Moyes and Mr. Balsillie," Daly said.
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/675723